Thread: Does "Brother"= "Cousin"?
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May 5th 2012, 07:10 PM #1
Does "Brother"= "Cousin"?
I have been discussing the issue of Mary's Perpetual Virginity with some Catholics I know, and they tell me that the word for brother also means "cousin". They have even went as far as to say that all the references to Jesus' human brothers were referring to just His followers!
I thought that "adelphos" means brother and that "anepsios" means cousin.
So is it really a plausible idea that the passages in the NT that refers to Jesus' brothers are referring to His cousins instead?
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May 6th 2012, 10:48 AM #2
Re: Does "Brother"= "Cousin"?
From BDAG = A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and other Early Christian Literature, Third Edition (University of Chicago Press, 2000):
ἀδελφός [adelphos]
1. a male from the same womb as the reference person, brother, Of Jesus’ brothers (passages like Gen 13:8; 14:14; 24:48; 29:12; Lev 10:4; 1 Ch 9:6 do not establish the meaning ‘cousin’ for ἀδελφός; they only show that in rendering the Hebrew אָח [ʾāḥ = blood-relation] ἀδελφός [adelphos] is used loosely in isolated cases to designate masculine relatives of various degrees).
2. a person viewed as a brother in terms of a close affinity, brother, fellow member, member, associate figurative extension of 1.
ἀνεψιός [anepsios]
cousin.
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May 6th 2012, 01:40 PM #3
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Thanks for the reply
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May 6th 2012, 08:12 PM #4
Re: Does "Brother"= "Cousin"?
With all due respect, the entry seems a bit biased. We should not forget that the eyewitnesses from whom the accounts came were from Aramaic/Hebrew culture, not Greek culture. While the references from the LXX do not establish the meaning 'cousin', they do not reflect a literal meaning of "male from the same womb" either.
On the other hand, there is a third option: the brothers of the Lord were sons of Joseph from a previous marriage. This would explain Jesus commending His mother to John's care at the crucifixion, which would have been culturally unnecessary if Mary had other children.
There is a good discussion here explaining the three options.
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May 6th 2012, 11:27 PM #5
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I agree that by itself the word might not absolutely settle the case. However, in numerous passages in the NT Jesus' brothers are described as being with His mother, which would make no sense if they were just cousins.
I actually don't really have a problem with the "stepbrothers" idea except for the fact that it comes from later accounts and that the Gospel writers heavily imply that they are biological offspring (Matthew 1:25, Luke 2:7).
Originally posted by On the other hand, there is a third option: the brothers of the Lord were sons of Joseph from a previous marriage. This would explain Jesus commending His mother to John's care at the crucifixion, which would have been culturally unnecessary if Mary had other children.
There is a good discussion [url=http://www.copticheritage.org/orthodoxy/james_the_brother_of_the_lord
I also don't find the idea that Jesus gave His mother over to John instead of His brothers implausible when we consider that they were unbelievers at the time(John 7:5).Last edited by Scruffyzach; May 6th 2012 at 11:31 PM.
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May 7th 2012, 09:14 PM #6
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Numerous? Not exactly. Three passages, one in each of the synoptic Gospels, probably describe the same event. The one occurrence in John may or may not be the same event as well.
Prototokos does not heavily imply that. It only means "first offspring," and as far as I know, it is used whether there are later offspring or not.I actually don't really have a problem with the "stepbrothers" idea except for the fact that it comes from later accounts and that the Gospel writers heavily imply that they are biological offspring (Matthew 1:25, Luke 2:7).
The same Jesus who knew at least one would subsequently believe, and to whom He appeared after the Resurrection, and who quickly rose to a position of prominence?I also don't find the idea that Jesus gave His mother over to John instead of His brothers implausible when we consider that they were unbelievers at the time(John 7:5).
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May 7th 2012, 09:21 PM #7
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BDAG is THE present authoritative Biblical Greek Lexicon. This isn't some marginal reference.
Also, there is no reference in any gospel to Joseph being previously married or having other children. The fact that the text refers to Jesus' family including brothers without clarification tells us that the authors are wholly unconcerned with the appearance that Mary might not be a perpetual virgin, suggesting that this was not a belief among gospel writers, and indeed these were Jesus' actual brothers from the same womb."... engage your brain before you engage your weapon." - Gen. James Mattis, USMC
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May 7th 2012, 11:40 PM #8
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How about Acts 1:14? And what I mean is that the authors create the impression that they are children of Mary by yoking the brothers with her. I am not aware of any logical reason why they would be with her if they were cousins of Jesus.
I will have to plead ignorance on prototokos. Nonetheless, we are still left to deal with "until" in Matthew 1:25. The general usage is that of "before, but not after". Even if this is not a guranteed conclusion from the word itself, the fact that Matthew later yokes Mary with the brothers without elaborating highly implies that they are her children.Prototokos does not heavily imply that. It only means "first offspring," and as far as I know, it is used whether there are later offspring or not.
Yes, the same one who constantly places discipleship over family. Jesus commending His mother to John isn't implausible when we consider that John is called many times "the disciple whom Jesus loved". Furthermore, if the "brothers" we're cousins or stepbrothers, wouldn't they also be a part of His family? If Jesus intended to commend her to a family member why not a cousin or stepbrother?The same Jesus who knew at least one would subsequently believe, and to whom He appeared after the Resurrection, and who quickly rose to a position of prominence?Last edited by Scruffyzach; May 7th 2012 at 11:46 PM.
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May 8th 2012, 10:06 PM #9
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I quite understand that, thanks. That's why I prefaced my comments with "With all due respect". Just because it's the current standard doesn't mean it's unbiased.
Or it could just tell us that the writers saw no need for clarification because the Hebrew concept was looser than your strict interpretation and the facts were commonly known.Also, there is no reference in any gospel to Joseph being previously married or having other children. The fact that the text refers to Jesus' family including brothers without clarification tells us that the authors are wholly unconcerned with the appearance that Mary might not be a perpetual virgin, suggesting that this was not a belief among gospel writers, and indeed these were Jesus' actual brothers from the same womb.
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May 8th 2012, 10:58 PM #10
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Perhaps because they had become believers by that point?
I only have access to the lexicon at blueletterbible.org, which does not list Mat. 1:25 with that usage.I will have to plead ignorance on prototokos. Nonetheless, we are still left to deal with "until" in Matthew 1:25. The general usage is that of "before, but not after".
I think I've covered that already.Even if this is not a guranteed conclusion from the word itself, the fact that Matthew later yokes Mary with the brothers without elaborating highly implies that they are her children.
I don't know. It could be that because they were not blood relations, they had no cultural obligation. They're never referred to as Mary's sons.Yes, the same one who constantly places discipleship over family. Jesus commending His mother to John isn't implausible when we consider that John is called many times "the disciple whom Jesus loved". Furthermore, if the "brothers" we're cousins or stepbrothers, wouldn't they also be a part of His family? If Jesus intended to commend her to a family member why not a cousin or stepbrother?
IMO absent tradition, there's not enough to definitively say either way.
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May 9th 2012, 09:33 AM #11
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"... engage your brain before you engage your weapon." - Gen. James Mattis, USMC
I don't care how systematic your theology is until you show me how biblical it is.
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May 11th 2012, 05:41 PM #12
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May 16th 2012, 08:24 AM #13
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May 16th 2012, 12:34 PM #14
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According to my best friend's rabbi, had Jesus been younger than Joseph's earlier children, he would have not been able to assign the mother's care to anyone according to Torah. That duty would have fallen to the eldest son.
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May 16th 2012, 09:20 PM #15
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