Wicca is an evil, demonic power thirsty faith.

[headheart]

As I stated in the other thread:

That's just the window dressing. None of that is anchored in any reality. It is a feelings based response used to draw you away from the truth of the resurrection. "Oneness" with God only comes through Jesus Christ, not any peaceful, harmonious and balanced act we perform.

I'll ask a counter question... What is the foundation of Wicca?

No, no, no, no you will not ask a counter question, you will first defend your accusation against facts and not use this thread as a place to promote your particular faith view of reality.

Your challenge was: (refer: Post 6 in Is Mormonism or Wicca on your agenda? ) where you stated:

"Wicca has no foundation in reality."

This is the only sentence I am interested in at the moment, because it is an unsubstantiated accusation and fails outright to take into consideration the beliefs of another.

Once we are done with that, then you are welcome to start a thread informing others why your beliefs have a foundation in reality. btw. Your choice of proof-text does not go a long way to support your claim. Personally, I'd have a close look at what aspects of your belief have a 'foundation in reality' before thundering down on those of others.

Peace,
Eric

[SwordEphesians6]

First off I apolagise for the intrusion into the LDS forums, I just clicked a link and typed away. Thanks for the welcome Headheart.

1) We first need to recognise we are all acting on presuppositions here. If you don't want Christains to point to the Bible then you are going to have to give a reason as to why you reject its historicty. The resurrection of Christ Jesus is the most well documented fact of the past two millinia and has effected millions of people in various ways. You must give a foundation for Wicca for it even to be considered legitimate. We have ours, the resurrection, though there are many other stones in the archway that rely on it as a capstone, such as prophecy, miracles and Christian testimony today.

2) Durthorin states: At a short, The Foundation of most Pagan faiths of which Wicca is one is the practice of our faith to bring us closer to the divine which we see in all things and all people All is One.
You need to provide a why you see these things as something that can bring you closer to the "divine" and also tell us how your particular pagan belief views deity. I know one thing, it cannot be necessary nor can it be any of the omni qualities we find in the Lord God. Why do you hold to this faith? Justify these things if you please.

3) Sparko states: "and "evil" doesn't necessarily mean something horrible and mean. It is anything that detracts men from worshiping the true God, so in that respect, all other religions and even atheism is "evil" "
Durthorin states in response to Sparko: "Very true, arguing that any non-Christian faith is good to a Christian is by the definition of your faith a waste of time. So I never bother on that one. The Christian faith requires that any non-Christian is either ignorant or willfully evil. Such is life.

Blessed Be, Dur "

We need to understand what "good" and "evil" are in an objective sense. For anything to be good or evil it must be defined by a necessary being which holds good within its nature such as the Lord does. Anything that is then evil follows to be a privation of said good, and thus displeasing to the goodness of the nature of God. I would be interested to know how Wiccans define good and evil, as when I was once dabbling in said Wiccan practices the only thing any of us cared about was our own selfish desires to become more powerful.

I look forward to a response. May the Living Lord save you.

[Bill the Cat]

No, no, no, no you will not ask a counter question, you will first defend your accusation against facts and not use this thread as a place to promote your particular faith view of reality.

What facts? You have presented no positive evidence for anything! I have given you the fact of the resurrection as the foundation for Christianity, and I eagerly await you giving me a similar historical event for the founding of Wicca.

Your challenge was: (refer: Post 6 in Is Mormonism or Wicca on your agenda? ) where you stated:

"Wicca has no foundation in reality."

This is the only sentence I am interested in at the moment, because it is an unsubstantiated accusation and fails outright to take into consideration the beliefs of another.

I am not interested in the "beliefs" of another in this accusation. Show me the evidence! If you have a positive evidentiary claim for the foundation of Wicca, I'm all ears. But as of now, I've never seen or heard any.

Once we are done with that, then you are welcome to start a thread informing others why your beliefs have a foundation in reality.

Sorry, Eric. That's not how it is done. I made a very succinct comparison and I challenge you to prove positive and real evidence for Wicca.

btw. Your choice of proof-text does not go a long way to support your claim.

It wasn't intended to support any claim. It was a bit of wisdom for one like you who is dabbling in things that the Lord said not to. You are certainly free to take it or leave it.

Personally, I'd have a close look at what aspects of your belief have a 'foundation in reality' before thundering down on those of others.

I'll take the reality of the resurrection, an actual historical event, over feelings any day.

[headheart]

What facts?

You're a big boy why don't you read the opening post and relative links and then present something that is more in line with the sort of post one might expect from a Department Head.

Goodbye,
Eric

[Bill the Cat]

You're a big boy why don't you read the opening post and relative links and then present something that is more in line with the sort of post one might expect from a Department Head.

Goodbye,
Eric

What makes you think I didn't read them? There is no historical foundation on anything you linked to. But, since you don't trust my words... how about a respected wiccan writer?

Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America Today by Margot Adler, 1979

The Wiccan revival starts with a myth, that Witchcraft is a religion that dates back to paleolithic times, to the worship of the god of the hunt and the goddess of fertility. . . . Today most revivalist Witches in North America accept the universal Old Religion more as metaphor than as literal reality--a spiritual truth more than a geographic one.

[Cow Poke]

What makes you think I didn't read them? There is no historical foundation on anything you linked to. But, since you don't trust my words... how about a respected wiccan writer?

Drawing Down the Moon: Witches, Druids, Goddess-Worshippers, and Other Pagans in America Today by Margot Adler, 1979

The Wiccan revival starts with a myth, that Witchcraft is a religion that dates back to paleolithic times, to the worship of the god of the hunt and the goddess of fertility. . . . Today most revivalist Witches in North America accept the universal Old Religion more as metaphor than as literal reality--a spiritual truth more than a geographic one.

Kinda sounds like Kwanzaa

[headheart]

Kinda sounds like Kwanzaa

Not even




close.

[Cow Poke]

Not even




close.

Kwanzaa ALSO claimed, initially, to have a rich cultural background, until it was shown that it was invented by Maulana Karenga in 1966 as an alternative to white people's Christmas. (Then, later, NOT an alternative to Christmas, but "additional". )

So, yeah, kinda.

[Darth Executor]

At a short, The Foundation of most Pagan faiths of which Wicca is one

Don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to lump in the foundation of Wicca which was invented in the 20th century with "most Pagan faiths", some (mostly the dead ones) of which are quite ancient?

[headheart]

Kwanzaa ALSO claimed, initially, to have a rich cultural background, until it was shown that it was invented by Maulana Karenga in 1966 as an alternative to white people's Christmas. (Then, later, NOT an alternative to Christmas, but "additional". )

So, yeah, kinda.

None of this addresses Bill The Cat's statement (refer: Post 16 ) and if that's all you've got.

I Fart In Your General Direction!

[Cow Poke]

None of this addresses the Bill The Cat's statement and if that's all you've got.

Calm yourself, brother... The article Bill posted stated...

Today most revivalist Witches in North America accept the universal Old Religion more as metaphor than as literal reality--a spiritual truth more than a geographic one.

To which I replied, in comparison....

Kwanzaa ALSO claimed, initially, to have a rich cultural background, until it was shown that it was invented by Maulana Karenga in 1966 as an alternative to white people's Christmas. (Then, later, NOT an alternative to Christmas, but "additional". )

So, yeah, it does.

I Fart In Your General Direction!

Well, yeah, that doesn't surprise me at all.

[headheart]

Calm yourself, brother...

Calm as a jelly fish.

The thing is that though this addresses foundation ideas that was was the second question, not my question which relates more generally.

Now take a deep breath and calm down. Read it slowly and thoughtfully and then try again.

"Wicca has no foundation in reality."

Peace,
Eric

[Cow Poke]

Calm as a jelly fish.

The thing is that though this addresses foundation ideas that was was the second question, not my question which relates more generally.

Now take a deep breath and calm down. Read it slowly and thoughtfully and then try again.

"Wicca has no foundation in reality."

Peace,
Eric

I don't know why I ever try to have a sensible discussion with you. And, actually, I was responding to Bill, NOT you.

Bye, Eric!

[headheart]

First off I apolagise for the intrusion into the LDS forums, I just clicked a link and typed away. Thanks for the welcome Headheart.

No harm, you are most welcome as long as you refrain from using such strong language when describing Wicca. Not everyone who is has had the same experiences that you have had and so it's best to dial those flames right down and not follow the example of others who don't seem to know how to show respect for their thinking and beliefs.
The reason that I don't want Christians to sandbag this discussion with comparisons with their view of reality is because that is not in question.
The primary statement that was made by Bill The Cat, namely: "Wicca has no foundation in reality." is what is being considered at this time. (refer also post 27)

Peace,
Eric

[headheart]

I don't know why I ever try to have a sensible discussion with you. And, actually, I was responding to Bill, NOT you.

Bye, Eric!

I don't recall having spoken to you in the past.

Then don't quote me. (refer: Post 26 )

NB: Conversation in a discussion such as this are progressive and open to anyone who wants comment. Not just Department Heads who want to force and agenda!!!!

Sure, bye-bye then,

Peace,
Eric.