Jesus forgiving sin is unjust to Victim.

[Member 90914]

Jesus forgiving sin is unjust to Victim.

Sin, by it’s very nature must have a victim. Without a victim, there is no sin.

The one sinned against has the first right of forgiveness.

If Jesus usurps that right then I think it would be unjust.

Closure is being denied the victim thus victimizing is twofold.

Jesus would not condone such a thing.

Secular law now demands a victim assessment report before sentence is given.

To think that Jesus would ignore this requirement is unthinkable.

This means that, “Why have you forsaken me? “, is answered by God with; because what you do is immoral. You deny the victim her or his rights. It is also unjust to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. In fact, that notion is insane.

In the scenario shown here the victim is ignored thus showing the flaw in the judge’s ruling, if he accepts substitutionary atonement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqP_f...eature=related

Regards
DL

[Chappie]

Jesus forgiving sin is unjust to Victim.

Sin, by it’s very nature must have a victim. Without a victim, there is no sin.

The one sinned against has the first right of forgiveness.

If Jesus usurps that right then I think it would be unjust.

Closure is being denied the victim thus victimizing is twofold.

Jesus would not condone such a thing.

Secular law now demands a victim assessment report before sentence is given.

To think that Jesus would ignore this requirement is unthinkable.

This means that, “Why have you forsaken me? “, is answered by God with; because what you do is immoral. You deny the victim her or his rights. It is also unjust to punish the innocent instead of the guilty. In fact, that notion is insane.

In the scenario shown here the victim is ignored thus showing the flaw in the judge’s ruling, if he accepts substitutionary atonement.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqP_f...eature=related

Regards
DL

The only real victim of sin is the grace, love, and law of God.

[yxboom]

Mercy is unjust.

[Manwë Súlimo]

"Against you, you only, have I sinned and done what is evil in your sight, so that you are proved right when you speak and justified when you judge." - Psalm 51:4

The primary victim of sin is always God. The secondary victims will be repaid for their injuries if they remain loyal to God.

[The Remonstrant]

Jesus forgiving sin is unjust to Victim.

But who is Jesus? Jesus of Nazareth? Just a man?

The one sinned against has the first right of forgiveness.

Let's suppose all sin ultimately is against God. Then it would be that God, the offended party, ultimately has the right to forgive, wouldn't it?

If Jesus usurps that right then I think it would be unjust.

Again, who is Jesus? Which Jesus? Is this Jesus you are speaking of merely a man who died some two thousand years ago? If this Jesus was simply a man who died and has not resurrected or is not divine, then you are right: Who is this Jesus to forgive? If you are wrong, however, your view requires serious alteration.

Closure is being denied the victim thus victimizing is twofold.

Are you perhaps putting too much weight into current popular psychological trends or opinions?

Which Jesus are you taking an opposition to? Could it perhaps be a caricature of the true and living Christ?

[Cow Poke]

Jesus taught forgiveness. It was an important theme of the NT.

Lewis Smedes said it well - "To forgive is to set a prisoner free and discover that the prisoner was you.”

Forgiveness changes the victim into a victor. Jesus isn't "usurping" anything at all -- He is teaching Truth, and that sets us free.

[Chappie]

The one that you suppose jesus to be unfair to, just how many times has Jesus forgiven them for likeminded aggressions. Your supposition supposes the victim to be without sin and ergo, forgiveness. Jsus is never unjust towards anyone...

[The Remonstrant]

I should note that the individual who began this thread apparently has been banned (how long, I don't know).

[Manwë Súlimo]

Unbanning him would be unjust towards his victims.

[The Remonstrant]

Unbanning him would be unjust towards his victims.

That is too cruel for even me to "amen".