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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostDo you think so? I was under the impression she had a fair bit of support.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Teallaura View PostThou Shall NOT Murder.
I think He made Himself perfectly clear.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostA clockmaker cuts and polishes the first gearwheel of a new clock and then goes home to bed. The next day he finds it stolen. Did the thief steel the clock being made?That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostDo you think so? I was under the impression she had a fair bit of support.I am Punkinhead.
"I have missed you, Oh Grand High Priestess of the Order of the Stirring Pot"
~ Cow Poke aka CP aka Creacher aka ke7ejx's apprentice....
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Originally posted by ke7ejx View PostIn Portland, yes. But a majority of the State she alienates. Remember last fall when that big tax bill failed? The first thing she did was announce she was closing the sanitarium in Junction City- never mind that it's the only mental hospital in Oregon. Even the liberals were freaking out over that. She still occasionally pulls out that card in the occasional speech.
Threatening to close the mental hospital blows my mind. I thought mental health was a major focus for pretty much everyone here.I'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Carrikature View PostThe polarization of this state is weird to me. It's like Portland is this major center of gravity with a lot of other stuff floating out in the rest of the state. Corvallis seems to echo Portland a lot, but that might just be the university. I haven't been here long enough (or in enough places) to get a feel for everywhere else. Maybe that will change some now that I'm working in Salem.
Threatening to close the mental hospital blows my mind. I thought mental health was a major focus for pretty much everyone here.
Regarding the mental hospital: http://nbc16.com/news/local/governor...-junction-city
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http://projects.registerguard.com/rg...dents.html.cspI am Punkinhead.
"I have missed you, Oh Grand High Priestess of the Order of the Stirring Pot"
~ Cow Poke aka CP aka Creacher aka ke7ejx's apprentice....
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Originally posted by ke7ejx View PostHehe, Multnomah County has the population concentration needed. I live a little further south of you and it too is a liberal town (Thank you, University of Oregon). However, I grew up in Redmond in the middle of the state that is predominiately conservative. You'll come to find that the Cascades acts as an Iron Curtain with the western half of the state being predominately liberal while the eastern half is conservative. As you said, our polarization is weird.
Originally posted by ke7ejx View PostRegarding the mental hospital: http://nbc16.com/news/local/governor...-junction-city
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http://projects.registerguard.com/rg...dents.html.cspI'm not here anymore.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhat can we do about it? What should be the Christian response?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAll this hysteria over abortion is a modern phenomenon. "Shortly after the Supreme Court made their landmark decision on the issue in Roe v. Wade (1973), influential Baptist minister W.A. Criswell, pastor of First Baptist in Dallas, TX, and predecessor to FOX News darling Robert Jeffress, said: I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed". Cited Patheos. Admittedly he later changed his mind, but this was nevertheless a common attitude among Evangelicals until the late 1970s, when turned into a political issue and a litmus test for "true Evangelicals". The public debate of abortion made it a highly charged political issue in the US, which it had never been before."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by Charles View PostYet another issue God, if he exists, seems to have failed to adress properly. But again it probably made sure the theologians had a job arguing both forth and back while big decisions were made in real life with real implications.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAll this hysteria over abortion is a modern phenomenon.
"Shortly after the Supreme Court made their landmark decision on the issue in Roe v. Wade (1973), influential Baptist minister W.A. Criswell, pastor of First Baptist in Dallas, TX, and predecessor to FOX News darling Robert Jeffress, said: I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed".
Admittedly he later changed his mind, but this was nevertheless a common attitude among Evangelicals until the late 1970s, when turned into a political issue and a litmus test for "true Evangelicals". The public debate of abortion made it a highly charged political issue in the US, which it had never been before.
That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
What do you mean by "modern"?
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Previously the issue was open to rational discussion and numerous Evangelicals were pro-choice as evidenced by the quote from Baptist minister W.A. Criswell, pastor of First Baptist in Dallas, TX. Shortly after the Supreme Court made their landmark decision on the issue in Roe v. Wade (1973), this influential Baptist minister said: “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed".
These are very sensible sentiments in my view and in keeping with the traditional Jewish attitude to which Jesus himself probably adhered. It was not until the late 1970's that abortion was turned into the highly charged emotional political issue we see today, thanks to the likes of you.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhat is modern is the hysteria surrounding the issue as clearly displayed by your immoderate rant. And yes, you can join up a carefully selected list of anti-abortion quotes (which you no doubt have on file) to make it seem as though a rigid anti-abortion stance was always the standard Evangelical view, but it wasn’t in fact.
Previously the issue was open to rational discussion and numerous Evangelicals were pro-choice as evidenced by the quote from Baptist minister W.A. Criswell, pastor of First Baptist in Dallas, TX. Shortly after the Supreme Court made their landmark decision on the issue in Roe v. Wade (1973), this influential Baptist minister said: “I have always felt that it was only after a child was born and had a life separate from its mother that it became an individual person, and it has always, therefore, seemed to me that what is best for the mother and for the future should be allowed".
These are very sensible sentiments in my view and in keeping with the traditional Jewish attitude to which Jesus himself probably adhered. It was not until the late 1970's that abortion was turned into the highly charged emotional political issue we see today, thanks to the likes of you.
Hey Tassy, if Abortion was never an issue until Roe, could it be because most people believed it was wrong and it was illegal?
LBGT was never a "highly charged emotional issue" until the gay rights movement either was it? It was just accepted as wrong. Nothing to argue about until the gays made it an issue by trying to normalize it.
Abortion wasn't an issue until they legalized it. It was just intrinsic to the society that it was wrong and illegal.
and the reason it became an issue is thanks to the likes of liberals.Last edited by Sparko; 07-19-2017, 08:36 AM.
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