Was Jesus truly born of a virgin in LDS theology?

[Cow Poke]

“In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees; And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];And if he does not, he cannot obtain it” (D&C 131:1–3).

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-tes...c/131?lang=eng

You were saying?

owwie

[OtherCheek]

“In the celestial glory there are three heavens or degrees; And in order to obtain the highest, a man must enter into this order of the priesthood [meaning the new and everlasting covenant of marriage];And if he does not, he cannot obtain it” (D&C 131:1–3).

http://www.lds.org/scriptures/dc-tes...c/131?lang=eng

You were saying?

Quite different than your original comment about "cannot be a virgin" isn't it. So where is it written that men and women must have sex "not be a virgin" in order to enter the highest order of heaven? I'm still waiting...

Or did you want to re-define the term "virgin"?

[OtherCheek]

Are you saying that Sparko purposely lied?

I sure hope he didn't. That would be bad if he did.

[Sparko]

Quite different than your original comment about "cannot be a virgin" isn't it. So where is it written that men and women must have sex "not be a virgin" in order to enter the highest order of heaven? I'm still waiting...

Or did you want to re-define the term "virgin"?

ah the old semantic game eh?

OK let me say it this way "Was Jesus married or did he die a bachelor?"

[OtherCheek]

ah the old semantic game eh?

OK let me say it this way "Was Jesus married or did he die a bachelor?"

Thank you.
We are not told.
And it doesn't really matter if he did die a bachelor, because many die as bachelors but are not denied the blessings of eternal glory in the highest order of heaven, because of the existence of temples.

[Sparko]

Thank you.
We are not told.
And it doesn't really matter if he did die a bachelor, because many die as bachelors but are not denied the blessings of eternal glory in the highest order of heaven, because of the existence of temples.

I thought that was only for those who died unmarried through no fault of their own? Jesus knew that he was going to die and when. He was over 30 when it happened. He had plenty of opportunity to get married if he was going to, so if he remained unmarried it was by choice, not happenstance. So how is it you can foist a marriage upon him? And who did it? The LDS have great records, so who performed the Celestial Marriage for Jesus and who did they marry him to?

[Cow Poke]

Or did you want to re-define the term "virgin"?

Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery! I think OC loves me, in effect.

[Cow Poke]

I sure hope he didn't. That would be bad if he did.

Yeah, I'd come down on him, cause WE don't believe in Lying for the Lord!

[Bill the Cat]

... because of the existence of temples.

That's a whole 'nother ball of wax there...

[OtherCheek]

I thought that was only for those who died unmarried through no fault of their own? Jesus knew that he was going to die and when. He was over 30 when it happened. He had plenty of opportunity to get married if he was going to, so if he remained unmarried it was by choice, not happenstance. So how is it you can foist a marriage upon him? And who did it? The LDS have great records, so who performed the Celestial Marriage for Jesus and who did they marry him to?

LDS aren't told whether Jesus married or not. Have you been told?

[Cow Poke]

LDS aren't told whether Jesus married or not. Have you been told?

See, this is what's really frustrating, OC --- you play this dumb "we haven't been told", yet you can concoct stuff like "many of Jesus' friends turning on Him"... were you told THAT?

Sometimes I think you're just here to play games.


ETA:
Lemme guess --- your "thinking process" is entirely dependent upon the OUTCOME at which you wish to arrive! Outcome Based Thought Process!!!!

"silence from the Scripture" is a BAD thing unless it helps you make your point, in which case, it is "proof".. or not.. .depending on ....
"The Bible tells us Jesus whipped people" (it doesn't, of course)... THAT would have been a good time to say "we aren't told that".
Yet, with FOUR GOSPEL ACCOUNTS of Christ, not including all of YOUR "scripture" --- don't you THINK somebody would have mentioned if Jesus had MARRIED?

[nrajeff]

Probably not. We refer to Him in the male gender, but not sexually.

Is such a "re-definition" really warranted in this case? I do understand that some things can be called "he" or "she" when they are, in reality, neither male nor female (Capt. Kirk called the Enterprise "she" and "her") but is that definitely, unequivocally, all there is to God--a metaphor?

God is sovereign - He can do/be anything he wants.

If that is really, literally true, then He can--if it is what He wants--find or create someone like Himself, whom He can marry if He wants to. Because there is nothing stopping Him. Agreed?

Naw - you're just being nitpicky about my phraseology -- you believe God is a physical being with a male body

Doesn't Jesus -who is God, and is a being, and who does have a physical body--kind of support that belief?
You said it's time to examine the Bible, so let's do that.


God’s Son has all the brightness of God’s own glory and is like him in every way.
Hebrews 1:3 CEV

Jesus said God is Spirit.

Your problem is that Jesus didn't say that His Father is MERELY spirit, bodiless, non-corporeal, and not like Jesus at all.

Other than that, yeah, good point.

[nrajeff]

Sometimes I think you're just here to play games.

You mean there are people here who aren't here just to play games? Someone call CNN! : )

[Cow Poke]

You mean there are people here who aren't here just to play games? Someone call CNN! : )

Laughing... I was fully expecting OC to come back on me accusing ME of playing games, and I was prepared to say "So WHAT!"

[Cow Poke]

You mean there are people here who aren't here just to play games? Someone call CNN! : )

CNN? Jeff... I'm REALLY disappointed!