It's ALL GREEK to Mormons!

[RBerman]

That tends to happen in science and philosophy too.

That is true.

[nrajeff]

We can't know if Christianity existed in Europe unless we have a list of baptisms performed on specific month in a specific year?

You'd have to prove that there were FAITHFUL Christians, preaching only UNADULTERATED doctrines. Otherwise, CP's theory about different cultures, languages, etc. hindering correct exegesis becomes relevant.

Probably because of i.e. the context most people hear the term "soothsayer" during religious discussions. Under some definitions Moses could also be a Witch or a Psychic[/QUOTE

So do you agree with me that Moses was more than a soothsayer? CP doesn't agree.

[nrajeff]

No, Jeff, I remain completely calm.

I was using BTC's presumed definition of the term: Object to, disagree with, or be skeptical of.

[Cow Poke]

I was using BTC's presumed definition of the term: Object to, disagree with, or be skeptical of.

Yuh.

[Sparko]

Isn't Rome in Europe and don't we have letters showing the Apostles (at least Paul) went there and preached "unadulterated doctrines"?

[nrajeff]

Isn't Rome in Europe

Yes

and don't we have letters showing the Apostles (at least Paul) went there and preached "unadulterated doctrines"?

In the 6th century? No

[Cow Poke]

So do you agree with me that Moses was more than a soothsayer? CP doesn't agree.

No, Jeffie, you got it wrong again... I ASKED you...

Soothsayer? You think Moses was a SOOTHSAYER?

SMITH was more of a soothsayer than Moses was! I believe Moses was FAR more than a soothsayer.

[nrajeff]

No, Jeffie, you got it wrong again... I ASKED you...
SMITH was more of a soothsayer than Moses was! I believe Moses was FAR more than a soothsayer.

Pulling a switcheroo? I stated that Moses was MORE than a soothsayer. You seemed to "have a problem" with my statement.
Now you're playing liberal politician, and pretending that you were in agreement with me all along.

Nice try.

[Sparko]

Yes


In the 6th century? No

I must have missed something. What does the 6th century have to do with it?

[Cow Poke]

Pulling a switcheroo? I stated that Moses was MORE than a soothsayer. You seemed to "have a problem" with my statement.
Now you're playing liberal politician, and pretending that you were in agreement with me all along.

Nice try.

Wrong. I was surprised that it APPEARED that you were claiming Moses was a soothsayer. Which is why I ASKED.


IN AGREEMENT WITH YOU?

That is freakin HILARIOUS!!!

[master_mormon]

Just because LDS use the KJV as their "official" English version does not mean members can use other versions in their individual study. We can use whatever we want. We can even use "New World Translation" in our study not that I would use it. I like the Bible Gateway site as it allows people to see different ways a passage has been translated. No translation is perfect and using whatever tools to see how people are seeing things

[Cow Poke]

Just because LDS use the KJV as their "official" English version does not mean members can use other versions in their individual study.

Who claimed that, MM?

We can use whatever we want. We can even use "New World Translation" in our study not that I would use it.

Not quite sure what you're responding to.

I like the Bible Gateway site as it allows people to see different ways a passage has been translated. No translation is perfect and using whatever tools to see how people are seeing things

The problem (and purpose of this thread) was not "looking at other translations", MM... it is about using pretty much a "child's version" as a proof text, when the CEV was intended to give a "really easy to understand" overview of the Bible to children and uneducated adults.

I have a copy of the Living Bible which I like to read sometimes, and the Message Bible... but I would never preach out of them, or use them as study material or for "proof texts".

[nrajeff]

... the CEV was intended to give a "really easy to understand" overview of the Bible to children and uneducated adults...

And what grade do you give the CEV in the category of being really easy to understand when it comes to
Hebrews 1:3? Did the publishers achieve their goal? Or did they fail?


I have been amused, for years, by The Message Bible, but I think it can be instructive. Maybe I will start quoting from it. Here's James 1:5-8

If you don't know what you're doing, pray to the Father. He loves to help. You'll get his help, and won't be condescended to when you ask for it. Ask boldly, believingly, without a second thought. People who "worry their prayers" are like wind-whipped waves. Don't think you're going to get anything from the Master that way, adrift at sea, keeping all your options open.

[Cow Poke]

And what grade do you give the CEV in the category of being really easy to understand when it comes to
Hebrews 1:3? Did the publishers achieve their goal? Or did they fail?

What is your fascination with "grading" versions of the Bible, Jeff? All your percentages... why not just focus on a good study method?