Temple Marriage and outsiders

[mossrose]

Mormons actually have a "sealing cancellation" ceremony, Moss. I think this is the Mormon expression for "divorce". I have no idea if this would apply in a death situation, but if the Mormons are claiming that a woman can be sealed ONLY to one man, and we know that many women lose husbands and remarry, I would not be surprised if there was a "sealing cancellation" for this ---- but I'm just guessing!

Sounds like a hot mess to me. Thanks, CP.

[OtherCheek]

Was polygamy a direct command from God or not? If it was, then there is no reason that you should be bowing to public pressure, but that isn't what happened, and it's STILL not what's happening.

Irrelevant. C's example is still not applicable because the government did not require the LDS to stop worshipping God, or to start worshipping idols.

[OtherCheek]

Mormons actually have a "sealing cancellation" ceremony, Moss. I think this is the Mormon expression for "divorce". I have no idea if this would apply in a death situation, but if the Mormons are claiming that a woman can be sealed ONLY to one man, and we know that many women lose husbands and remarry, I would not be surprised if there was a "sealing cancellation" for this ---- but I'm just guessing!

A very bad guess.

There is no sealing cancellation ceremony. There is a form and an approval process but no ceremony for cancellation. And women who lose husbands and remarry, are remarried for time only. Their sealing is not nullified or cancelled.

"The most burdensome responsibility I have is to make judgments on applications for cancellation of temple sealings following civil divorce. Each case is considered on its individual merits. I pray for wisdom, for the direction of the Lord in dealing with sacred covenants made in the most hallowed surroundings and of an eternal nature" (President Gordon B. Hinckley, A Conversation with Single Adults, Ensign, Mar 1997, 58).

[nrajeff]

Sounds like a hot mess to me. Thanks, CP.

People should be surprised by what doesn't surprise CP.

[nrajeff]

So LDS bent to public laws there, like they did with polygamy over here in the USA?

At least you're not on the other side of the anti-LDS bandwagon, accusing LDS of breaking public laws. I guess if I had to choose, I'd rather be accused of obeying public laws as long as they didn't harm anyone. So thanks.

[Cow Poke]

A very bad guess.

Actually, it was a very GOOD guess --- the TRUTH, apparently, is even WEIRDER than my guess.....

LDS.NET

A temple divorce is called a temple sealing cancellation but how do you apply for one? After a person has been married in a temple, goes through a divorce, and is ready to be sealed for all eternity to a new spouse they are ready to request that their previous temple sealing be canceled.

When to Apply for a Temple Divorce
As soon as a woman is ready to be sealed to a new man (either a fiancé or husband) she can apply for a temple divorce (see Can Mormons Divorce?), which is called a Temple Sealing Cancellation.
When a man is ready to be sealed to a new woman (either a fiancé or wife) his request will be for a Temple Sealing Approval.

© source where applicable

So, Mormons make it REALLY HARD to get married, but really EASY to divorce! And, note... "ready to be sealed for all eternity to a new spouse" --- so the "Eternal sealing" is for ETERNITY or until divorce, whichever comes first.

There is no sealing cancellation ceremony. There is a form and an approval process but no ceremony for cancellation.

Yeah, I get that ... Marriage = "big deal" ... Divorce = "here, fill out this form". WOW

And women who lose husbands and remarry, are remarried for time only. Their sealing is not nullified or cancelled.

Well, from LDS.net... "As soon as a woman is ready to be sealed to a new man (either a fiancé or husband) she can apply for a temple divorce (see Can Mormons Divorce?), which is called a Temple Sealing Cancellation." So, you're saying they just CALL it a "Temple Sealing Cancellation", but it's really not that?

I guess you guys are still working out the details.

[moreta]

Did ya notice that for a woman, it's a sealing cancellation, and for a man, it's sealing approval?

[Cow Poke]

Did ya notice that for a woman, it's a sealing cancellation, and for a man, it's sealing approval?

[moreta]

Phooey.

[Cerebrum123]

Irrelevant. C's example is still not applicable because the government did not require the LDS to stop worshipping God, or to start worshipping idols.

God COMMANDED us not to worship idols, and according to LDS God COMMANDED polygamy. Now, unless you are saying that disobeying ANY DIRECT COMMAND from God other than worshiping false gods, are you really going to say that my comparison is COMPLETELY invalid?

[nrajeff]

Did ya notice that for a woman, it's a sealing cancellation, and for a man, it's sealing approval?

You're claiming that if a man's wife becomes a habitual adulteress and child-abuser and bank robber, forcing her husband to divorce her, he can't request a cancellation of their sealing? I find that hard to believe.

[Cerebrum123]

You're claiming that if a man's wife becomes a habitual adulteress and child-abuser and bank robber, forcing her husband to divorce her, he can't request a cancellation of their sealing? I find that hard to believe.

I think that she is saying that it's odd that the man doesn't have to get a cancellation after the divorce and remarriage, but the woman does. Also, I noticed something. If the divorce isn't the same as the "sealing cancellation" then you might end up with some VERY unhappy women in heaven, who are still sealed to the guy they divorced.

[OtherCheek]

I think that she is saying that it's odd that the man doesn't have to get a cancellation after the divorce and remarriage, but the woman does. Also, I noticed something. If the divorce isn't the same as the "sealing cancellation" then you might end up with some VERY unhappy women in heaven, who are still sealed to the guy they divorced.

People are free to reject their covenants with God at any time. Even in the Spirit World after this life. Although I can't imagine why anyone who want to live in heaven would want to try to carry an attitude of unforgiveness and grudge-bearing with them. Is that how you believe heaven is?

Nevertheless, if any man does not treat his wife with respect, kindness, and love, or if he fails to honor the marriage covenant between God and his spouse and himself, he will not be worthy to have her in the resurrection. She will be sealed to another.

[Cow Poke]

Nevertheless, if any man does not treat his wife with respect, kindness, and love, or if he fails to honor the marriage covenant between God and his spouse and himself, he will not be worthy to have her in the resurrection. She will be sealed to another.

So, let's say, for example, that one of your guys was married, but started proposing to other women, but when his wife complained about that, he threatened her with death. Is THAT how a Mormon man would treat his wife with respect, kindness, and love, and is he failing to honor the marriage covenant between God and his spouse? Would THAT man not be worthy to have her?

[OtherCheek]

Actually, it was a very GOOD guess --- the TRUTH, apparently, is even WEIRDER than my guess.....

LDS.NET

A temple divorce is called a temple sealing cancellation but how do you apply for one? After a person has been married in a temple, goes through a divorce, and is ready to be sealed for all eternity to a new spouse they are ready to request that their previous temple sealing be canceled.

When to Apply for a Temple Divorce
As soon as a woman is ready to be sealed to a new man (either a fiancé or husband) she can apply for a temple divorce (see Can Mormons Divorce?), which is called a Temple Sealing Cancellation.
When a man is ready to be sealed to a new woman (either a fiancé or wife) his request will be for a Temple Sealing Approval.

© source where applicable

We both missed the part of a cancellation "Ceremony". Why did you omit that part, unless it really isn't there?

So, Mormons make it REALLY HARD to get married, but really EASY to divorce! And, note... "ready to be sealed for all eternity to a new spouse" --- so the "Eternal sealing" is for ETERNITY or until divorce, whichever comes first.

This is where reading would come in handy for you, CP. It is much harder to get a divorce than a marriage, because all divorces must be approved by the prophet himself, in person. Marriages don't have to be approved by the prophet in person. You must have just missed the part I put in green and bold. Cancellations are not always granted, and it may take upwards of a year to get them done, and rigorous interviews must be done by the requesting party. You probably knew that, though, and were just blowing smoke.

Yeah, I get that ... Marriage = "big deal" ... Divorce = "here, fill out this form". WOW

I'm willing to bet there there is a much higher divorce rate among members of YOUR faith than with Temple Marriages--which would translate to a higher commitment level among Temple Marriages than with yours. Care to google?

Well, from LDS.net... "As soon as a woman is ready to be sealed to a new man (either a fiancé or husband) she can apply for a temple divorce (see Can Mormons Divorce?), which is called a Temple Sealing Cancellation." So, you're saying they just CALL it a "Temple Sealing Cancellation", but it's really not that?

I guess you guys are still working out the details.

Still no mention of a temple cancellation "CEREMONY". So you guess is now embarrassingly bad.