Is it OK to lie to get a Temple Recommend?

[eudyptes]

I usually am a little slow....

[Xru]

Yup I'm taking a break from the LDS Forum.

Someone bumped this post from 5/24 and I took off like an idiot.

Evidently, I'm way to close to the LDS getting picked on deal.

Several people pointed this out to me and it just went . . . whose right over my head.

My punishment will be that I'll be apologizing to CP, Sparko, and Bill and every other Twebber from now until the Apocalypse.

So I'll start now . . .

I screwed up, I didn't read the date closely and made a fool out of myself in front of the entire Twebbers Forum.

Specifically I have to . . . gulp . . . apologize to Sparko . . Sorry Sparko.

I have to apologize to Cp . . Sorry Cp.

I have to apologize to Bill . . Sorry Bill.


I have to apologize to every other Twebber . . . Sorry Tweb for making such a fuss over nothing.

The good news is I'm personally banning myself from the LDS forum cause I've totally lost perspective.

Buy OC and Jeff.

[nrajeff]

I don't think you should banish yourself.
You have a gift for livening things up. You have friends here.

[Cerebrum123]

I don't think you should banish yourself.
You have a gift for livening things up. You have friends here.

Yeah, I agree with Jeff on this one(wow, I can't believe I am agreeing with Jeff). You have friends here, and I don't want you to go leaving over this small thing. Also, where is MY APOLOGY.
Just kidding.

*the colored text is meant as sarcasm, you have been warned.

[Cow Poke]

You cannot substantiate this at all. It is YOUR belief, not actual fact.

After reading the BoM 3 times, and praying the prayer, the Holy Spirit has very clearly let me know that Smith is a false prophet and the BoM is a work of fiction.

Isn't that the same way you "know" that Smith is a REAL prophet, and the BoM is "scripture"?

What you are constantly trying to say

constantly?

is that nearly 15M members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are wrong.

Actually, I don't believe I have EVER said that. And it wouldn't necessarily be that many, because a lot of those are inactive, and are not as wrong as the others.

[Raphael]

What you are constantly trying to say is that nearly 15M members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are wrong. That is ludicrous.

What do number have to do with it?

There are over 1.5 billion Muslims in the world. Do you not think they are wrong? Or is it ludicrous to suggest that 1.5 billion people are wrong?

[technomage]

What you are constantly trying to say is that nearly 15M members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints are wrong. That is ludicrous.

The correctness (or error) of a belief is not established by the number of people who adhere to that belief. If that were true, then within Christianity, everyone should go be mainstream Christian--after all, you're trying to say that 2.2 billion mainstream Christians are wrong.

[nrajeff]

I have to agree that it's entirely possible for millions of people to be wrong about something. That's pretty much what we LDS say about some beliefs of post-apostolic Christendom for literally centuries. If, say, 50 million people believed in Trinitarianism for 1600 years, and 10 million more believed Calvinism for 500 years, that adds up to a lot of people being wrong on an issue.

Or, 1/3 of the hosts of heaven being wrong about whether it was a good idea to rebel against God and try to take over heaven--that is probably a lot of souls who were wrong there, too.

[Cow Poke]

I have to agree that it's entirely possible for millions of people to be wrong about something. That's pretty much what we LDS say about some beliefs of post-apostolic Christendom for literally centuries. If, say, 50 million people believed in Trinitarianism for 1600 years, and 10 million more believed Calvinism for 500 years, that adds up to a lot of people being wrong on an issue.

Or, 1/3 of the hosts of heaven being wrong about whether it was a good idea to rebel against God and try to take over heaven--that is probably a lot of souls who were wrong there, too.

Or, 10 of the 12 spies reporting back that "we're doomed, we'll all be killed", and only Joshua and Caleb got it right.

[technomage]

Or, 10 of the 12 spies reporting back that "we're doomed, we'll all be killed", and only Joshua and Caleb got it right.

Every time I hear or read that story, I keep thinking of my cat.

No, really, it makes sense. My cat was a very laid-back character, except when we had to put him in the car to go somewhere. He HATED the car! So what he would do is crawl under one of the seats and yowl--endlessly--until the car stopped.

We called it his "We're all gonna DIIIIIEEEE!" song.

He passed away a few months ago, but he had lived to be sixteen years of age (pretty good for a cat), and was spoiled throughout his life.

[LDSAngel]

After reading the BoM 3 times, and praying the prayer, the Holy Spirit has very clearly let me know that Smith is a false prophet and the BoM is a work of fiction.

Isn't that the same way you "know" that Smith is a REAL prophet, and the BoM is "scripture"?

Actually, no, it wasn't

How I came to my own Testimony of the Book of Mormon and of Joseph Smith has absolutely NOTHING to do with you.

You see you keep making ridiculous assumptions about stuff you know nothing about!! As do most anti-Mormons.
Folks like you read the anti-Mormon sites and think/believe that they are true, that they post facts - which they do not.
For the most part they are made up of members whom have been excommunicated for wrong-doings and feel that they have a grudge against the Church.

[technomage]

Actually, no, it wasn't

Both your experience, and CP's are quite possible--because the "burning in the bosom" is a subjective experience.

LDSAngel, let me ask you a question ... if I were to make an assertion, based on my Book of Shadows, that you knew to be false ... would you argue the point with me, and attempt to dissuade me from my error?

[Bill the Cat]

Actually, no, it wasn't

How I came to my own Testimony of the Book of Mormon and of Joseph Smith has absolutely NOTHING to do with you.

But it is still wrong. Whether you believe it or not, the BOM is fiction.

You see you keep making ridiculous assumptions about stuff you know nothing about!!

You have no clue what we know or don't know. You've only been a member here for a few weeks.

As do most anti-Mormons.

Ah.. the old "most" fallacy. Unless you have spoken to every "Anti-Mormon" in existence, and can statistically show that over half of them (the definition of most) are wrong on Mormonism's claims, then you have done nothing but posted a fallacious emotional rant.

Folks like you read the anti-Mormon sites and think/believe that they are true, that they post facts - which they do not.

Sure they do! I'll pick one "anti-Mormon" site and post one fact, which will refute your claim:

Mormonism Research Ministry

During 2012, LDS members will be studying the latest manual published by their church, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: George Albert Smith

© source where applicable

Do you dispute that fact?

For the most part they are made up of members whom have been excommunicated for wrong-doings and feel that they have a grudge against the Church.

Again, unless you have interviewed every one of them, and discovered their reason for leaving, you have fallaciously made an emotional rant.

[Cow Poke]

Actually, no, it wasn't

How I came to my own Testimony of the Book of Mormon and of Joseph Smith has absolutely NOTHING to do with you.

Why the anger? I asked a question.

You see you keep making ridiculous assumptions about stuff you know nothing about!!

It was a question.

As do most anti-Mormons.

We're learning.

Folks like you read the anti-Mormon sites and think/believe that they are true, that they post facts - which they do not.

"folks like you"? How do you know what I read. I MOSTLY read FairMormon.org.

For the most part they are made up of members whom have been excommunicated for wrong-doings and feel that they have a grudge against the Church.

How do you know that? How do you know that a lot of them didn't begin to see the truth after initially being deceived by a false prophet and a false religion?

[Cow Poke]

Both your experience, and CP's are quite possible--because the "burning in the bosom" is a subjective experience.

EGGzackly. And I'm being a bit facetious when I shared "my experience", because it's NOT just that.... it's also comparison to the Bible, and a number of other things, including extensive exchanges with Tweb Mormons.

But Tech gets my point... how can the same Holy Spirit confirm that Joseph Smith is both a TRUE prophet and a FALSE one? It obviously has to go beyond the subjective.