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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by nrajeff View Post
      He will respect my honest opinion if He's as wise and loving and merciful as I believe Him to be.
      So, since you claim he is so merciful, why even bother with hell? Why not just give everyone mercy? Big deal if they didn't accept the Gospel. His mercy should be sufficient. If He is just wise and merciful, then why not universalism?

      If He's not all that, then He doesn't deserve my respect either, let alone my worship. After all, if my opinions were the result of ignorance, and God is really as Calvinism paints Him to be, then my very ignorance itself was pre-decided for me by God. So my culpability for my "flippant" attitude will be very insignificant.
      I'm not Calvinist, Jeff.

      Now let's move on to something I find quite interesting: Your answers to my questions about "Whatcha Gonna Do?" if LDS beliefs about God turn out to be correct:



      and let's compare how you plan to respond, to how Sparko plans to respond:
      It's a whole lot less arrogant than your response if you turn out to be wrong.
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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      Funny, you and BTC sound an awful lot alike in your answers. Could it be that he was mocking and sniping you Jeff?
      It's possible. Lots of things are possible.
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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by nrajeff View Post
      Yeah, everyone believes that his/her beliefs about God are correct. It's kind of a given. But this thread asks hypotheticals, and in this case, you are to assume that your beliefs about God were WRONG. You are to state what your response to God would be IF your beliefs about God were to turn out to be wrong.
      I certainly wouldn't be an arrogant jerk. I'd ask for mercy.

      Like the LDS here, you are to assume the "impossible" has happened: That your beliefs might actually be incorrect.
      I would still recognize that he's in charge, and it does me not good to try to be a smart-alek or a jerk.
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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      I certainly wouldn't be an arrogant jerk. I'd ask for mercy.

      I would still recognize that he's in charge, and it does me not good to try to be a smart-alek or a jerk.
      Well, of course that would be a good approach to take if LDS beliefs about God turn out to be correct, because in that case, God wouldn't be a jerk, either. :)
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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by nrajeff View Post
      Well, of course that would be a good approach to take if LDS beliefs about God turn out to be correct, because in that case, God wouldn't be a jerk, either. :)
      So I'm GOOD, eh? If YOU are wrong, however, you gots a lots of splainin to do, Lucy!
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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by nrajeff View Post
      Well, of course that would be a good approach to take if LDS beliefs about God turn out to be correct, because in that case, God wouldn't be a jerk, either. :)
      But you were being one. that was the point.

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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by nrajeff View Post
      Well, of course that would be a good approach to take if LDS beliefs about God turn out to be correct, because in that case, God wouldn't be a jerk, either. :)
      No, but he's be a pretty big liar.
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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      No, but he's be a pretty big liar.
      Did you give an answer to Sparko's question? Or did I just miss it?
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      And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in c\taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning."


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      Quote Originally posted by OtherCheek View Post
      Did you give an answer to Sparko's question? Or did I just miss it?
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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
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      I saw that one. I was assuming you were trying to be funny, and it was not your sincere answer. But oh well.

      Do you think asking for sunblock will be taken as a humble admission of your error, and be seen as a sincere request for forgiveness by God?
      "Behold, I am Jesus Christ, whom the prophets testified shall come into the world.
      And behold, I am the light and the life of the world; and I have drunk out of that bitter cup which the Father hath given me, and have glorified the Father in c\taking upon me the sins of the world, in the which I have suffered the will of the Father in all things from the beginning."


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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by OtherCheek View Post
      I saw that one. I was assuming you were trying to be funny, and it was not your sincere answer. But oh well.

      Do you think asking for sunblock will be taken as a humble admission of your error, and be seen as a sincere request for forgiveness by God?
      No. It will be an admission that I was wrong, and that He has already said that once I die, there is no further opportunity for forgiveness.
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      Quote Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      No. It will be an admission that I was wrong, and that He has already said that once I die, there is no further opportunity for forgiveness.
      yeah but "no further opportunity" might only be if you (and I) were RIGHT. The whole point of my hypothetical was what if we are wrong (and that includes the LDS) - so maybe it would NOT be the end.

      If you died and found out that what we believe about God was wrong, and God was really Brahma, or the LDS God, or perhaps some divine being we never even imagined in our faith, would you be more interested in worshiping God as he truly IS, or in holding on to your current beliefs? Is truth more important than beliefs? That is basically what I am asking.

      If I were wrong and even if there were no further opportunity for me after death, and God was going to send me to hell, I would still have to admit that he was God and has the right to send me anywhere he wants to, and I would worship him as God and ask his forgiveness.

      Like everyone else here, I sincerely don't think I am wrong in my faith, but this is a hypothetical.

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      Re: Bad Boys, Bad Boys, Whatcha Gonna do?

      Quote Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      yeah but "no further opportunity" might only be if you (and I) were RIGHT. The whole point of my hypothetical was what if we are wrong (and that includes the LDS) - so maybe it would NOT be the end.

      If you died and found out that what we believe about God was wrong, and God was really Brahma, or the LDS God, or perhaps some divine being we never even imagined in our faith, would you be more interested in worshiping God as he truly IS, or in holding on to your current beliefs? Is truth more important than beliefs? That is basically what I am asking.

      If I were wrong and even if there were no further opportunity for me after death, and God was going to send me to hell, I would still have to admit that he was God and has the right to send me anywhere he wants to, and I would worship him as God and ask his forgiveness.

      Like everyone else here, I sincerely don't think I am wrong in my faith, but this is a hypothetical.
      Well, if the LDS are right, then I would have nothing to ask for forgiveness for. As long as I had accepted Jesus Christ as the savior, then I would be in the second level of heaven.
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      Quote Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      Well, if the LDS are right, then I would have nothing to ask for forgiveness for. As long as I had accepted Jesus Christ as the savior, then I would be in the second level of heaven.
      Which apparently Jesus will be in as well, since He drank wine or "strong drink".

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      Quote Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      Well, if the LDS are right, then I would have nothing to ask for forgiveness for. As long as I had accepted Jesus Christ as the savior, then I would be in the second level of heaven.

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