The things I have noticed about LDS, and Islam.

[Cow Poke]

You are wrong on this one. I am willing to bet that you picked up the term from a source other than LDS--a source hostile to the LDS.

I picked up the term from YOU, Jeff, and, although you do tend to be hostile on occasion, I don't think you can be categorized as "hostile to LDS".

I believe you were in the process of "maligning" () Protestant Christians....

---Seems like the confusion is more on the part of the anti-LDS folks. The admitted, alleged hoaxers were presumably Protestant Christians, and if their most recent "confession" is the truth, then they were "lying for the Lord," or, to be more precise, HOAXING for the Lord. Is that what real Christians are supposed to do?

Prior to this, I had never even HEARD of "Lying for the Lord", which led me to start this thread.

[nrajeff]

I picked up the term from YOU, Jeff,

Are you Cerebrum 123? Two personas--a CP persona and a CowPoke persona--in one being? A 'binity'?

I believe you were in the process of "maligning" () Protestant Christians....

Only a small subset of them--deceiving ones who weren't acting the way real ones are supposed to act. CONTEXT, CP. It CAN be helpful.

Plus, when I used the term "Lying for the Lord" I used these things called "quotation marks" because the first time I saw the term, it was being used by anti-LDS people to malign us.

[Sparko]

I picked up the term from YOU, Jeff, and, although you do tend to be hostile on occasion, I don't think you can be categorized as "hostile to LDS".

I believe you were in the process of "maligning" () Protestant Christians....



Prior to this, I had never even HEARD of "Lying for the Lord", which led me to start this thread.

and don't forget "answering the question they should have asked"

[Cow Poke]

Are you Cerebrum 123? Two personas--a CP persona and a CowPoke persona--in one being? A 'binity'?

It was right there in the open, Jeff... and it's not like YOU only chime in when something is addressed specifically to you.

Only a small subset of them--deceiving ones who weren't acting the way real ones are supposed to act. CONTEXT, CP. It CAN be helpful.

You SAY those words, but if you could only put them into PRACTICE!

Plus, when I used the term "Lying for the Lord" I used these things called "quotation marks" because the first time I saw the term, it was being used by anti-LDS people to malign us.

Well, watch the video again (Sparko just posted it), and you'll find one of YOUR guys TEACHING it!

[nrajeff]

and don't forget "answering the question they should have asked"

See? The term was NOT coined by the pro-LDS--it was invented by the antis, by all available evidence. Thanks for the corroboration.

[Sparko]

See? The term was NOT coined by the pro-LDS--it was invented by the antis, by all available evidence. Thanks for the corroboration.

eh? The video is by a Mormon who uses the term to teach missionaries how to avoid telling the truth.

[Cow Poke]

See? The term was NOT coined by the pro-LDS--it was invented by the antis, by all available evidence. Thanks for the corroboration.

Still checking this out, Jeff, but it appears it came from Ken Clark who was one of YOUR guys in your Church Education System.

[Cerebrum123]

You are wrong on this one. I am willing to bet that you picked up the term from a source other than LDS--a source hostile to the LDS.

I have read the term on this forum, and I wanted to make sure it was accurate. CP appears to be the first one I have seen use the specific term, but the video provided shows a Mormon using this method. Now, if you would like to go over WHY I am wrong, I will completely remove it from the thread if I can still edit it. If I can't edit it, I will write it again, and will have in large letters.

DEBUNKED

[nrajeff]

eh? The video is by a Mormon who uses the term to teach missionaries how to avoid telling the truth.

The point is sailing over your head. Who COINED THE TERM? WHO INVENTED IT TO DESCRIBE WHAT THEY FEEL MILLET IS ADVOCATING?

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[Cow Poke]

The point is sailing over your head. Who COINED THE TERM? WHO INVENTED IT TO DESCRIBE WHAT THEY FEEL MILLET IS ADVOCATING?

Yeah, pay NO ATTENTION to the fact that the Mormons DO it... worry more about who came up with the NAME!

[OtherCheek]

Yeah, pay NO ATTENTION to the fact that the Mormons DO it... worry more about who came up with the NAME!

It's a lot like the term "Lying for God" that ex-Christians and atheists came up with. So, it seems to me like the same kind of spirit of influence working in both anti-Mormons AND anti-Chrisrians.

[Cow Poke]

It's a lot like the term "Lying for God" that ex-Christians and atheists came up with. So, it seems to me like the same kind of spirit of influence working in both anti-Mormons AND anti-Chrisrians.

As far as I know, OC, "Lying for God" deals particularly with the Adventists, where some former Adventists expose some of the teachings of their Church.
SIMILAR, I'll admit, to the way Ken Clark, a former Mormon CES Director, deals with teachings of HIS former Church.

[OtherCheek]

As far as I know, OC, "Lying for God" deals particularly with the Adventists, where some former Adventists expose some of the teachings of their Church.
SIMILAR, I'll admit, to the way Ken Clark, a former Mormon CES Director, deals with teachings of HIS former Church.

I've seen a number of anti-Christian sites that use the term, sites that don't discuss Adventism. The anti-Christian approach looks a lot like the anti-Mormon approach. Both seem to be authored by the same spirit and influence.

[Cow Poke]

I've seen a number of anti-Christian sites that use the term, sites that don't discuss Adventism. The anti-Christian approach looks a lot like the anti-Mormon approach. Both seem to be authored by the same spirit and influence.

Well, since I said that, OC, I found some more NON-Adventist references. It's just that the Adventist ones came up first. So, on that point, you may well be right.

AS for the "same spirit and influence".... you say that like it's a BAD thing. Is it wrong for somebody who believes they were lied to to expose the fact that they believe they were lied to? Does that necessarily suggest an "evil" spirit? (and, no, I'm not claiming that you SAID "evil", but that seemed to be the implication)

[OtherCheek]

Well, since I said that, OC, I found some more NON-Adventist references. It's just that the Adventist ones came up first. So, on that point, you may well be right.

AS for the "same spirit and influence".... you say that like it's a BAD thing. Is it wrong for somebody who believes they were lied to to expose the fact that they believe they were lied to? Does that necessarily suggest an "evil" spirit? (and, no, I'm not claiming that you SAID "evil", but that seemed to be the implication)

There is also the phrase "Lying for Jesus", which anti-Christians use frequently. Inspired by the same spirit and influence.