"Lying for the Lord" (Again)

[Cow Poke]

basically Millet was teaching that the missionary should in effect, ignore all questions and stick to their script. So no matter what any one asks, just steer the conversation back to the lesson such as "One day a young Joseph Smith was out in the forest..."

Just like a telemarketer. Have you ever tried to get one of them to go off their script? It's hilarious.

You're just trying to be a swine while they're trying to sell you pearls, Sparko. They'll even give you EXTRA ones for FREE if you pay separate shipping and handling! I bet you ignore those emails from King Babuhdonkey's wife in Nairobi even when she calls you "dearly beloved".

[Catholicity]

sadly.....ummm many of them are running on a script. And too many of them sound more than a little brainwashed.

[Sparko]

You're just trying to be a swine while they're trying to sell you pearls, Sparko. They'll even give you EXTRA ones for FREE if you pay separate shipping and handling! I bet you ignore those emails from King Babuhdonkey's wife in Nairobi even when she calls you "dearly beloved".

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[nrajeff]

sadly.....ummm many of them are running on a script. And too many of them sound more than a little brainwashed.

Yeah, that does seem to be the case with many telemarketers.





You were referring to telemarketers, right?

[nrajeff]

So, if somebody just asked you, "do you guys believe man can become God", you can't just say "yeah, we do"? Give me the CEV version, please.

Here ya go:

God became man so that men might become gods.

cf St. Athanasius, ca. 296-298 – 373


St. Irenaeus of Lyons stated that God "became what we are in order to make us what he is himself."
St. Clement of Alexandria says that "he who obeys the Lord and follows the prophecy given through him . . . becomes a god while still moving about in the flesh."
St. Cyril of Alexandria says that we "are called 'temples of God' and indeed 'gods', and so we are."
St. Basil the Great stated that "becoming a god" is the highest goal of all.
St. Gregory of Nazianzus implores us to "become gods for (God's) sake, since (God) became man for our sake."

Athanasius, "quoting God" : "...thou shalt be converted into Me."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diviniz...28Christian%29

[OtherCheek]

Well, we don't hide anything, OC, you know that. And the "enemies of Christianity" don't HAVE to spell out all our beliefs, cause we POST THEN ON THE WEB OURSELVES!

It isn't my fault if there are no "pearls" to your Faith.

But you knew that, didn't ya! You're just doing that "playing dumb" thing again! Shucks!

And, again, I wasn't asking for DETAILS, I was suggesting that you could just be honest and "up front" and say, "well, yeah, we believe that". You could even throw in your classic "so what!"

Naaah. That's not what you are looking for at all. If it were, you would have been satisfied with what we've been telling you since you came to Tweb. I've been there and done that, and you still weren't satisfied.

But Christianity has a lot of enemies that accuse Christians of "Lying for Jesus," etc. They must think you have things to hide, and isn't that the most important---what the enemies of your Faith think? It sure seems like that's what you think when it comes to regarding the opinions of the enemies to my Faith.

[Cow Poke]

Naaah. That's not what you are looking for at all. If it were, you would have been satisfied with what we've been telling you since you came to Tweb. I've been there and done that, and you still weren't satisfied.

No, OC ... it's like pulling teeth getting straight answers from you. Shall I test you by asking some questions to see if you give me the "straight up" answer the FIRST time, with no dodging?

But Christianity has a lot of enemies that accuse Christians of "Lying for Jesus," etc.

Hesitations 11:21 (CEV) Consider yourself blessed when you are falsely accused, and let it run off your back like water off a duck.

They must think you have things to hide, and isn't that the most important---what the enemies of your Faith think? It sure seems like that's what you think when it comes to regarding the opinions of the enemies to my Faith.

This is a game you're playing, OC --- I have nothing to hide, so they can think as they wish. GAME PLAYING, I tell you, and we need to NIP IT in the BUD!!!!!

[OtherCheek]

No, OC ... it's like pulling teeth getting straight answers from you. Shall I test you by asking some questions to see if you give me the "straight up" answer the FIRST time, with no dodging?

Sure. Go for it.

Just keep in mind that it isn't my fault if there are no "pearls" to your Faith.

[Cow Poke]

Sure. Go for it.

Naw, not right now... I have a family and a wife and a family and I'm looking for a job and I don't have time for this .. this... whatever this is. Can I have a rain check?

Just keep in mind that it isn't my fault if there are no "pearls" to your Faith.

Ah, but you're SO wrong --- I have the PEARL of GREAT PRICE*! I don't need no stinkin faux pearls.


*The REAL one, not the one Smith plagiarized** from the Bible.



** I'm just pullin your chain, OC -- I realize you see this as "Scripture"

[Sparko]

Sure. Go for it.

Just keep in mind that it isn't my fault if there are no "pearls" to your Faith.

funny our faith is the one who came up that that term that you all have turned into a useless cliche.

How come you never use THIS verse?

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

[OtherCheek]

funny our faith is the one who came up that that term that you all have turned into a useless cliche.

How come you never use THIS verse?

Colossians 2:8
See to it that no one takes you captive through hollow and deceptive philosophy, which depends on human tradition and the elemental spiritual forces of this world rather than on Christ.

Isn't "human tradition" a closer synonym for "orthodoxy" than for "Mormonism"?

[OtherCheek]

** I'm just pullin your chain, OC -- I realize you see this as "Scripture"

[Cow Poke]

Isn't "human tradition" a closer synonym for "orthodoxy" than for "Mormonism"?

Well, let's see what the scholarly CEV says...

Contemporary English Version (CEV)
Colossians 2:8 Don’t let anyone fool you by using senseless arguments. These arguments may sound wise, but they are only human teachings. They come from the powers of this world[a] and not from Christ.

See there? It says that your teachings come from Joseph Smith and not from Christ!

[Sparko]

Isn't "human tradition" a closer synonym for "orthodoxy" than for "Mormonism"?

no.

Nice of you to try to change the topic again though.

It is saying that there are people out there who will use false teachings and philosophy to enslave you to themselves. Just like Joseph Smith did with the LDS church. He conned an entire group of people into following his false teachings and philosophy and tied it all to "family" and appeals to ego and greed (You can become like God!) and you are now captured and can't even see it. You fell for the oldest lie in the bible.

[OtherCheek]

no.

Nice of you to try to change the topic again though.

It is saying that there are people out there who will use false teachings and philosophy to enslave you to themselves. Just like Joseph Smith did with the LDS church. He conned an entire group of people into following his false teachings and philosophy and tied it all to "family" and appeals to ego and greed (You can become like God!) and you are now captured and can't even see it. You fell for the oldest lie in the bible.

Does God know good and evil or not? Did Adam and Eve know good and evil from the beginning or not? What does it meant "their eyes were opened"? Is that a literal meaning in your mind?