Dems reject ban on gender-selective abortion.

[KingsGambit]

We already criminalize thought to an extent in that attempted murder and conspiracy are against the law. And frankly, this isn't purely criminalizing thought alone - it's criminalizing thoughts leading to certain actions. I think the value of human life is worth far, far more than any alleged small infringement upon thought here. So they can justify their "no" votes all they want - they voted in favor of eugenics.

[Seasanctuary]

I thought you were against abortion?

I oppose late term abortion, specifically whenever we have good reason to believe a fetus has gained inner awareness. I support abortion (if desired) before then.

Though, yes, the point applies to selecting which gametes go together (which will be a much more effective way to control traits than aborting a natural pairing after the fact). Abortion and genotype selection should be evaluated as separate issues.

[joel]

We already criminalize thought to an extent in that attempted murder and conspiracy are against the law.

"Conspiracy" is bad law. Should be repealed.
And I believe "attempted murder" is not thought, but an overt action.

[Dee Dee Warren]

It wasn't just Democrats. Ron Paul, for example, voted against it. So did Justin Amash (Republican of Michigan), who offered this explanation on his facebook page:

Oh yeah, he wasn't grandstanding. Sorry but that is the height of hypocrisy.

Though I think the law makes no sense. Abortion is either right or wrong, and if it is right , no justification is needed as to why someone wants one.

[Whag]

Abortion is either right or wrong.

In some cases, it is in between right and wrong. Such is life; it is not always so black and white.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Posts are not the IRS tax code. In 99.99999999 of the time, it is PRECISELY that black and white. Don't' be a librarian.

[Dee Dee Warren]

"Conspiracy" is bad law. Should be repealed.
And I believe "attempted murder" is not thought, but an overt action.

Conspiracy is not mere thought. It requires action in furtherance of the conspiracy.

[KingsGambit]

I gotta say, I'm disappointed in how many pro-lifers here aren't supporting this legislation.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Why? I am pro-life, and I don't support it. It is useless. I don't support useless legislation. By supporting it, it can send the message that well as long as it isn't for THAT reason, while its not that bad.

[KingsGambit]

Why? I am pro-life, and I don't support it. It is useless. I don't support useless legislation. By supporting it, it can send the message that well as long as it isn't for THAT reason, while its not that bad.

I see it as useful as placing abortion proponents on record as supporting present-day eugenics, which we as a movement can effectively use against them.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Legislation isn't required to do it. Conservatives should not be in support of even more legislation. Education will serve that purpose.

[KingsGambit]

Fair enough. I'm not a conservative apart from on social issues so I'm not philosophically opposed in any way to legislation per se. Either way, I'm glad that this issue has reached the public sphere of discussion.

[Dee Dee Warren]

We can agree that the public discussion is good. I think the documentaries and public exposes are the way to handle it.

[Bill the Cat]

Legislation isn't required to do it. Conservatives should not be in support of even more legislation. Education will serve that purpose.

Yup. Even with RvW in place, 75% of abortion clinics nation wide have been closed in the last 25 years.

[Whag]

Posts are not the IRS tax code. In 99.99999999 of the time, it is PRECISELY that black and white. Don't' be a librarian.

No, it is not. If you forced a woman whose father raped and impregnated her to have the baby, you'd be morally wrong to do so. One morning after pill would take care of that problem with no baby being hurt.

I just demonstrated it's not so black and white, which is all I wanted to do. Don't insinuate I'm for eugenics or any of that fundamentalist crap. Stay on topic please. It's not entirely right and not entirely wrong, is it?