What will a person take with him?

[Cerebrum123]

What if the question is "In what season of 18something did flowers start to bloom?" ?

Oops, misread CP's question, ignore this post.

[Sparko]

New question:

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[OtherCheek]

emphasis mine

Do you believe we retain the guilt....or is that something Jesus "does away with"/heal when we're there?

I believe Jesus can heal guilt, but only for the penitent.

Since heaven is a place of perfection and joy....I don't believe we'll bring guilt with us (at least not keep it).

[21:1]*Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. [2]*And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. [3]*And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. [4]*He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”
[5]*And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” [6]*And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. [7]*The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son.

(Revelation 21:1-7 ESV) emphasis mine

I tend to agree, but this gift is only for the penitent as I see it. Others will retain their guilt beyond the grave.

[Cow Poke]

What if the question is "In what season of 18something did flowers start to bloom?" ?

Google it, Mr. Pedantic.

[KingsGambit]

I once heard an evangelist say that the only thing that belongs to you is your name. It was an interesting point - our names will be searched for at the final judgment to see if they belong in the book of life.

[nrajeff]

Google it, Mr. Pedantic.

Won't the CEV have a 'dumbed-down' answer?

[Cerebrum123]

Won't the CEV have a 'dumbed-down' answer?

Google isn't the CEV.

Edit: Here's a site that has a huge amount of different Bible translations, and ones that are actually useful as a study Bible. http://www.biblegateway.com/

[nrajeff]

Google isn't the CEV.

Edit: Here's a site that has a huge amount of different Bible translations, and ones that are actually useful as a study Bible. http://www.biblegateway.com/

Over on the WM or Carm version of this forum, one of your fellow anti-LDS just posted a quote from the CEV Study Bible while attempting to refute a pro-LDS person's argument.

[Cerebrum123]

Over on the WM or Carm version of this forum, one of your fellow anti-LDS just posted a quote from the CEV Study Bible while attempting to refute a pro-LDS person's argument.

What can I say, that wasn't a very smart thing to do. I can't help it when someone ELSE does something that isn't that smart, so why blame me? Why not just tell him that if he is going to be using something as a proof text, then it would be best if he wasn't using a Bible specifically made for children, and uneducated adults?

[nrajeff]

What can I say, that wasn't a very smart thing to do. I can't help it when someone ELSE does something that isn't that smart, so why blame me?

I don't blame you or anyone else. I am just not convinced that it was a bad move on the part of that anti.

Why not just tell him that if he is going to be using something as a proof text, then it would be best if he wasn't using a Bible specifically made for children, and uneducated adults?

I haven't looked into it, so I won't judge it yet.

[eudyptes]

I believe Jesus can heal guilt, but only for the penitent.


I tend to agree, but this gift is only for the penitent as I see it. Others will retain their guilt beyond the grave.

Restating what I "think" you're saying.....correct me where I'm wrong....
You can be in heaven and not be penitent...therefore you can have guilt in heaven?


If I'm understanding you correctly...and again correct me if I'm not.....I don't see how your understanding of heaven can be heavenly, nor how it would match up with the scripture I quoted earlier..."no pain" would include guilt since guilt is emotional pain.

[OtherCheek]

Restating what I "think" you're saying.....correct me where I'm wrong....
You can be in heaven and not be penitent...therefore you can have guilt in heaven?

My OP was about what we do or don't take with us when we die, and not about what we do or don't take with us into the resurrection. That would be a slightly different list, IMO.

No. Only the penitent will receive mercy. The atonement of Christ cleanses only the penitent. Only those who rely on the mercies of Jesus Christ can make it into heaven (heaven meaning a glorious, resurrected state.) Therefore, since guilt is washed away for the penitent, and no one inherits heaven unless they become clean through the atonement of Christ, those in heaven will not have guilt.

LDS believe there is a period of time between death and the resurrection.

[Cow Poke]

Won't the CEV have a 'dumbed-down' answer?

You have a point -- you'd probably understand that one better than something you Googled.

[Cow Poke]

Over on the WM or Carm version of this forum, one of your fellow anti-LDS just posted a quote from the CEV Study Bible while attempting to refute a pro-LDS person's argument.

You're that kid who, when Mom yelled at you because you stuck a toy firetruck up your nose, responded with "But BOBBIE did it, TOO!!!!!" Aren't you?

[Cow Poke]

LDS believe there is a period of time between death and the resurrection.

Are you aware there is a period of time when there are no FEMALES in Heaven, OC?
























































(Rev 8:1 KJV) And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.