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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Who was Jesus Christ's (aka God the Son) mother?

    or don't you believe that Jesus is God the Son?
    Jesus the Christ is the Son of God, God with His Father (Hebrews 1:8, The Father calls His Son God).
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Jesus the Christ is the Son of God, God with His Father (Hebrews 1:8, The Father calls His Son God).
    So who is his mother?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So who is his mother?
    The Son of God does not have a mother. Unless you deny the eternal Sonship, and hold that the second person of the Godhead did not become the Son of God until He was born of Mary.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    I don't know about in Orthodoxy but in Catholicism you have "Patron" saints of various things from AIDs caregivers to Zoos.
    There's a little bit of that, but it's not very prominent. Most people in Orthodoxy petition the Theotokos, their own patron saint (mine is St. Luke the Evangelist), and those to whom they feel a particular attachment for whatever reason.
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    From the Creed of Chalcedon, ". . . for our salvation, born of the Virgin Mary, the Mother of God, according to the Manhood; one and the same Christ, Son, Lord, Only begotten, to be acknowledged in two natures, inconfusedly, unchangeably, indivisibly, inseparably; the distinction of natures being by no means taken away by the unity, but rather the property of each nature being preserved, and concurring in one Person and one Subsistence, not parted or divided into two persons, but one and the same Son, and only begotten, God the Word, the Lord Jesus Christ; . . ."

    And a proof text of the word of God, the Lord being God, having blood, Acts 20:28, ". . . Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of the Lord and God, which he hath purchased with his own blood. . . ."
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    The Son of God does not have a mother. Unless you deny the eternal Sonship, and hold that the second person of the Godhead did not become the Son of God until He was born of Mary.
    You just said that Jesus was the Son of God and he has a mother. Now you want to separate them into two. Which as OBP pointed out is Nestorianism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You just said that Jesus was the Son of God and he has a mother. Now you want to separate them into two. Which as OBP pointed out is Nestorianism.
    For one your accusation and OBP's is false. And the Son of God has no mother, being the eternal Son. Like I said, " Unless you deny the eternal Sonship, and hold that the second person of the Godhead did not become the Son of God until He was born of Mary."
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    For one your accusation and OBP's is false. And the Son of God has no mother, being the eternal Son. Like I said, " Unless you deny the eternal Sonship, and hold that the second person of the Godhead did not become the Son of God until He was born of Mary."
    You are defining mother as "creator" which is not the case. Think of it as a relationship. Did Jesus have brothers and sisters? if Jesus is the Son of God, then the Son of God also has brothers and sisters. Doesn't make them Gods. It is a relationship through his incarnation but the Son and Jesus are not two separate people. You can't say Jesus had brothers and sisters but God the Son didn't. They are the same person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    You are defining mother as "creator" which is not the case. Think of it as a relationship. Did Jesus have brothers and sisters? if Jesus is the Son of God, then the Son of God also has brothers and sisters. Doesn't make them Gods. It is a relationship through his incarnation but the Son and Jesus are not two separate people. You can't say Jesus had brothers and sisters but God the Son didn't. They are the same person.
    Again another false accusation. I nowhere defined Jesus mother as "creator." Yes, the man Jesus had brothers and sisters. Jesus did not become the Son of God being born of His human mother. He always was the Son of God, and in becoming the man Jesus He did not cease being the Son of God.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 37818 View Post
    Again another false accusation. I nowhere defined Jesus mother as "creator." Yes, the man Jesus had brothers and sisters. Jesus did not become the Son of God being born of His human mother. He always was the Son of God, and in becoming the man Jesus He did not cease being the Son of God.
    and thus, as he gained humanity the Son also gained a human family: A mother, brothers, sisters, a step-father, friends, cousins, etc.

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