What's Most Important?

[Cow Poke]

Mormonism is all about light. Light from Christ--the source of all light and truth. It's about being receptive to greater light instead of being satisfied forever with only some.

Thank you, brother Jim Jones.

[Bill the Cat]

So a person "KNOWS" he is converted by what he does to BECOME converted.

Yes. That's what faith is.

And no actual confirmation of that conversion is necessary for him to know that he is truly converted?

No. It's been colloquially called "blessed assurance"

LDS receive a confirmation of the Holy Ghost that confirms their faith and true conversion.

Which was taught to you by the very same LDS church. But we see it as a self-validating reliance upon your own feelings that you have been mistakenly trained to believe is the Holy Spirit.

No such thing in your Faith?

It's debatable. Now, I do believe in the evidence of speaking in other tongues, which I have personally experienced in a crowd of about 70 people. But it's anecdotal and very personal to me. I wouldn't dare try to convince someone else based on my own experience. Jesus has much more than I could ever offer. My wife would tell you that she hears from God frequently, however, sometimes what she believes is God is just her wishes, and they fall flat. God's Word doesn't fail.

[nrajeff]

Thank you, brother Jim Jones.

Yeah, REAL Christians such as Father CP here, don't believe that God is light--that's just crazy talk. They believe more sensible things, such as that God is truth, God is love, and other such non-abstract things.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah, REAL Christians such as Father CP here, don't believe that God is light--that's just crazy talk.

Jeff, eat a Snickers, please.

[OtherCheek]

No. It's been colloquially called "blessed assurance"

Ahh. A "warm fuzzy" after all.

It's debatable. Now, I do believe in the evidence of speaking in other tongues, which I have personally experienced in a crowd of about 70 people. But it's anecdotal and very personal to me. I wouldn't dare try to convince someone else based on my own experience. Jesus has much more than I could ever offer. My wife would tell you that she hears from God frequently, however, sometimes what she believes is God is just her wishes, and they fall flat. God's Word doesn't fail.

LDS rely less on outward signs for confirmation of conversion. Signs can be at least as deceiving as something like "blessed assurance", if not more so.

[Cow Poke]

Ahh. A "warm fuzzy" after all.

I sometimes get that way when I read one of your posts, OC.

[OtherCheek]

I sometimes get that way when I read one of your posts, OC.

Why, thank you.

[Cow Poke]

Why, thank you.

Seriously, you DO say some GOOD things occasionally. And MOST of the time, I actually LIKE you!

[Cerebrum123]

OC, I would still like a direct answer, and not your dividing the question into "sub categories". Jeff answered, and I think he did a good job, but I have yet to see a straight answer from you considering "What is MOST Important?". Surely if Jeff can give a straight answer so can you, right?(note this post is to be slightly teasing, but the main question is still what I really want answered)

[nrajeff]

I sometimes get that way when I read one of your posts, OC.

That's how people got deceived by...Jim Jones! They read one of his posts....and the rest is Kool-Aid history.

[Cerebrum123]

That's how people got deceived by...Jim Jones! They read one of his posts....and the rest is Kool-Aid history.

[Cow Poke]

That's how people got deceived by...Jim Jones! They read one of his posts....and the rest is Kool-Aid history.

Silly man... .Al Gore had not yet invented the InternetzWeb.

Or, are you talking about THIS kind of post?

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[Bill the Cat]

Ahh. A "warm fuzzy" after all.

It's much deeper than just that. It is as steady as knowing that when you take your next step, the ground will be underneath you.

LDS rely less on outward signs for confirmation of conversion. Signs can be at least as deceiving as something like "blessed assurance", if not more so.

Exactly. You rely on your own idea of what the Holy Spirit should "feel" like, and that idea has been cultivated and coached by every LDS meeting you attend. So, in the end, you are convinced of the truth of the LDS Church by the method they taught you.

[nrajeff]

Silly man... .Al Gore had not yet invented the InternetzWeb.

True, he hadn't....but Marshall Applewhite traveled thru time on the Comet of the Angels, and returned from the future with the technology.

Or, are you talking about THIS kind of post?

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I like the ones that say "Trespassers will be shot, survivors will be prosecuted."

[OtherCheek]

It's much deeper than just that. It is as steady as knowing that when you take your next step, the ground will be underneath you.



Exactly. You rely on your own idea of what the Holy Spirit should "feel" like, and that idea has been cultivated and coached by every LDS meeting you attend. So, in the end, you are convinced of the truth of the LDS Church by the method they taught you.

While you are convinced of the truth of orthodoxy by the method they teach you--that a confession is the only confirmation you need of your true conversion.