Question for those who are non-LDS only.

[Cow Poke]

All of those issues have been dealt with.

"Dealt with" and "resolved" are not necessarily the same, OC. You're going to endlessly excuse or minimize what Smith did because you believe he's the Prophet of the Restoration. Nobody's really dealing with Smith's "prophecy" that his otherwise faithful wife would be destroyed for not going along with his polygamy scheme, for example. The closest you can come is to assert that God ordered it. I think that's foolishness.

Beyond the degree of overkill.

Hmmmmm..... kinda like that woman politician who's trying to explain that she really THOUGHT she was a Native American?

Joseph was no con man,

Yeah, he was.

anymore than you are a con man for eating bacon

AH, but you must have MISSED my recent "chicken" saga. IRL, OC, I eat very little bacon.

which you have been told is not good for the body.

Chicken!

Now, if I had TAUGHT everybody that bacon was bad for them, then opened up a BACON BAR in the hotel that I owned... THEN you might could call me a con man!

[Bill the Cat]

Haven't you realized yet that ad homs hurt the credibility of any actual argument you might (someday) actually make?

There was no argument made. Just disgust.

Some of them almost certainly ARE. What planet have you been living on?

Your post was meant to specifically insult the Catholic Bishops, and was an unprovoked attack on a bad situation that deserves compassion and understanding, especially for the victims sake. Their tragedies should NEVER be used as a cheap dig response to someone complaining about the age of your bishops. Whether you intended that or not, that's how it seemed to me. And it made me sick to my stomach.

If you antis can make unqualified, blanket accusations that Joseph Smith was, for example, a con artist, is it "disgustingly" worse to say that SOME Catholic bishops are gay? Is the veracity of such a statement even in doubt? What do have against gay people, anyhow?

Your comment was FAR worse, Jeff.

[Bill the Cat]

Joseph was no con man, ...

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[nrajeff]

There was no argument made.

I know. The use of ad hominem ATTACKS, as a SUBSTITUTE for substantive discussion or argument, is what can hurt your credibility....should you actually make an argument in the future.

Your post was meant to specifically insult the Catholic Bishops,

I doubt they are even reading the thread.

and was an unprovoked attack on a bad situation that deserves compassion and understanding

Wow! Strange rhetoric coming from someone who routinely makes unprovoked attacks on what he feels to be the "bad situation" the LDS are in. Don't the LDS deserve compassion and understanding? This forum screams "No" if your posts (and those of Sparko, Cerebrum, and CP) are any indication.

, especially for the victims sake. Their tragedies should NEVER be used as a cheap dig response to someone complaining about the age of your bishops. Whether you intended that or not, that's how it seemed to me. And it made me sick to my stomach.

This is the part where CP calls you a crybaby drama queen and whiner, with a dose of persecution complex on the side. Any response to CP you'd like to make?

[Cow Poke]

This is the part where CP calls you a crybaby drama queen and whiner, with a dose of persecution complex on the side. Any response to CP you'd like to make?

This is hilarious. The Drama Queen is playing "did you hear what he called your momma?"

Jeff -- you're in meltdown mode again! SAVE yourself --- Turn off your computer!

[Chrawnus]

I know. The use of ad hominem ATTACKS, as a SUBSTITUTE for substantive discussion or argument, is what can hurt your credibility....should you actually make an argument in the future.


I doubt they are even reading the thread.


Wow! Strange rhetoric coming from someone who routinely makes unprovoked attacks on what he feels to be the "bad situation" the LDS are in. Don't the LDS deserve compassion and understanding? This forum screams "No" if your posts (and those of Sparko, Cerebrum, and CP) are any indication.


This is the part where CP calls you a crybaby drama queen and whiner, with a dose of persecution complex on the side. Any response to CP you'd like to make?

Grow up.

[nrajeff]

Grow up.

"Bwahahahahahaha!" ??

[Chrawnus]

"Bwahahahahahaha!" ??

There's a difference between acting silly and being immature.

[Bill the Cat]

I know. The use of ad hominem ATTACKS, as a SUBSTITUTE for substantive discussion or argument, is what can hurt your credibility....should you actually make an argument in the future.

Do I really need credibility with you? I think NOT!

I doubt they are even reading the thread.

But Catholics are.

Wow! Strange rhetoric coming from someone who routinely makes unprovoked attacks on what he feels to be the "bad situation" the LDS are in. Don't the LDS deserve compassion and understanding? This forum screams "No" if your posts (and those of Sparko, Cerebrum, and CP) are any indication.

The fact that you can't see the difference is quite telling, Jeff.

This is the part where CP calls you a crybaby drama queen and whiner, with a dose of persecution complex on the side. Any response to CP you'd like to make?

So, you're a mind-reader now too? Like I said... many "talents", huh?

[nrajeff]

Do I really need credibility with you? I think NOT!

If your credibility is something you haven't cared about, it explains a lot.

But Catholics are.

Find me a Catholic who doesn't agree that some bishops are probably gay. If you can find any, ask them if they also deny that the Holocaust really occurred.

So, you're a mind-reader now too?

There is no need to be a mind reader in this case, since all one needs to do is see the pattern, the track record he has established. If a dog salivates every time it hears a bell, you don't need to read its mind to predict its behavior the next time someone rings a bell.

[Bill the Cat]

If your credibility is something you haven't cared about, it explains a lot.

Again Jeff, I frankly don't give a rat's behind if YOU grant me credibility. It is GOD'S words that condemn you and your false doctrines.

Find me a Catholic who doesn't agree that some bishops are probably gay.

Find me a Mormon who doesn't agree that some of their bishops are probably gay...

There is no need to be a mind reader in this case,

Good. Because you are ridiculously underqualified.

since all one needs to do is see the pattern, the track record he has established. If a dog salivates every time it hears a bell, you don't need to read its mind to predict its behavior the next time someone rings a bell.

Sorry, Jeff. I am far from your lofty level of drama queenship. I'll bet you have a special room for all of the tiaras you have won too...

[nrajeff]

Again Jeff, I frankly don't give a rat's behind if YOU grant me credibility. It is GOD'S words that condemn you and your false doctrines.

So you're saying that it's a false doctrine that some Catholic bishops are gay? Dang! If you are right--which you are not--and subscribing to such a "doctrine" gets people condemned by God, then I think that even a lot of Catholics --not to mention Protestants and regular, rational, realistic people--are gonna be condemned...


...or maybe you're just making a lot of drama from an obviously-correct statement, for the drama value or something.
If you really want to keep digging yourself into that hole you're in, I am willing to not try to stop you.

[Bill the Cat]

So you're saying that it's a false doctrine that some Catholic bishops are gay? Dang! If you are right--which you are not--and subscribing to such a "doctrine" gets people condemned by God, then I think that even a lot of Catholics --not to mention Protestants and regular, rational, realistic people--are gonna be condemned...

Broader context than that issue, Jeff.

..or maybe you're just making a lot of drama from an obviously-correct statement, for the drama value or something.
If you really want to keep digging yourself into that hole you're in, I am willing to not try to stop you.

Sorry, Zero, but you are a much better digger than I ever could be.