Travel to interstellar planets ...

[Jorge]

Then, if( I said IF Jorge, don't take this one personally) Jorge is really as bad as you guys make him out to be, why compare him with them?

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You're wasting your time with these yo-yos, C123.

I'm leaving on a business trip in a few hours - to train others on those
systems that Sparko believes I am just a "monkey technician" on.

When I get back, I'll look to see if there are any posts here with substance.
Trust me, I am not betting any more than a plugged nickel on that. Adios ...

Jorge

[Sparko]

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I see ... so when I do it, I get banned for 2 - 4 weeks.

When HE does it, it means " ... that there is reason not to take your claims at face value."

Let me spell it out so you don't miss it : h - y - p - o - c - r - i - t - e - s

Jorge

Jorge, you outright call people liars. I am simply saying you have not given me any reason to believe you. You may be telling the truth about your degrees and accomplishments or not, but from what I have seen from you on this site, you have not given me any reason to believe your claims.

and I did make substantive posts on the topic. It was you who dragged your accomplishments into the arena, so I responded to you. That makes it on topic also.

[Tiggy]

Funny how almost every thread Jorge participates in ends up with Jorge talking about Jorge.

- T

[rogue06]

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I see ... so when I do it, I get banned for 2 - 4 weeks.

When HE does it, it means " ... that there is reason not to take your claims at face value."

Let me spell it out so you don't miss it : h - y - p - o - c - r - i - t - e - s

Jorge

There are proper channels to debate moderation. This isn't one of them.

[RBerman]

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Let's cut to the quick ... this is for you as well as for those "others" that you mention.

Go ahead and tell me how you envision interstellar travel. Here's my prediction :

(1) You will either pull something that today is unadulterated science fiction (e.g., "quantum teleportation")
(2) I will shoot it down faster than you can say "boo"
(3) It will be based on totally unsupported speculation (making anything possible)

Sure, if you want a 'blank check' into which you can write "warp drive", "wormholes" or anything else
that pleases your fancy, then ANYTHING is possible. But, here I am holding your feet to the fire of
realistic science -- 'blank checks' are not allowed.

BTW, I am well aware that today there are things that just a generation ago would have belonged to
the realm of "science fiction". You people are missing the point. I am talking about "science fiction"
in the sense of things that either oppose known laws of physics and / or that amount to pulling "magic"
out of a hat. "Quantum teleportation" and "warp drive" are examples of this.

Go ahead .... I will wait for you and your band of compadres to post something worthwhile ........

Jorge

I hold very little hope of meeting your standard of "worthwhile." But of course, you are not the only person on this thread. There are things that, according to the science of a hundred years ago, would have been thought to violate the laws of the universe.

[phank]

Maybe "dark energy" is really whole massive civilizations alive and well and living in "subspace", zipping from place to place and just hanging out everywhere. And, not knowing how to access subspace, all we see is a couple of the side-effects of all this unimaginably advanced technology. Which of course is all part of natural law, obvious and inevitable even to the subspacers' children.

[Jorge]

I hold very little hope of meeting your standard of "worthwhile." But of course, you are not the only person on this thread. There are things that, according to the science of a hundred years ago, would have been thought to violate the laws of the universe.

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My "standard of worthwhile" is fair and reasonable. Simply provide a scenario by which
you think interstellar travel is achievable WITHOUT invoking sci-fi "science" such as
quantum teleportation or warp drive. Like I said before, if what you want is a 'blank
check' that allows you ANYTHING then I would not even have started this thread.
With a blank check in which any amount may be written then ANYTHING is possible.

BTW, for the umpteenth time, I am well aware about what you say ("100 years ago" ... etc.).
But this sounds to me like you are insisting on having a blank check. In the "science" of
today --- based on Materialism and Evolutionism --- blank checks are commonplace.
For instance, these "scientists" do not have a clue about how life could have originated
from only undirected raw chemicals. The 'blank check' that they sell to a gullible public
is that "it must have happened 'cause here we are!" And so we get people like
Kauffman writing "self-organization processes" on his blank check - processes that have
never been observed. Sparko wrote "quantum teleportation" on his blank check and it
sounds to me like you want the same 'check-writing' privileges.

Go ahead, give it a try ... it won't hurt. Tell us how you think interstellar travel is possible
and I will quickly tell you why it isn't.

(I'm in Kansas City returning home today so "see" you tomorrow or later)

Jorge

[Jorge]

Maybe "dark energy" is really whole massive civilizations alive and well and living in "subspace", zipping from place to place and just hanging out everywhere. And, not knowing how to access subspace, all we see is a couple of the side-effects of all this unimaginably advanced technology. Which of course is all part of natural law, obvious and inevitable even to the subspacers' children.

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Yup ... sounds very "scientific" to me, phank. Bwahahahahahaha

Then yo-yos like phank tell Biblical Creationists like me that it is WE that are "not scientific".
I think I get it ... we're just not into Star Trek enough and that makes us "non-scientists".

Jorge

[wattsr1]

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Yup ... sounds very "scientific" to me, phank. Bwahahahahahaha

Then yo-yos like phank tell Biblical Creationists like me that it is WE that are "not scientific".
I think I get it ... we're just not into Star Trek enough and that makes us "non-scientists".

Jorge

I'll bet they invent an interstellar drive waaaaay before you'll ever admit to your blatant contradiction/mistake re the Barringer Crater.

[lilpixieofterror]

My "standard of worthwhile" is fair and reasonable. Simply provide a scenario by which
you think interstellar travel is achievable WITHOUT invoking sci-fi "science" such as
quantum teleportation or warp drive. Like I said before, if what you want is a 'blank
check' that allows you ANYTHING then I would not even have started this thread.
With a blank check in which any amount may be written then ANYTHING is possible.

So you're aruging that under current understandings, it is impossible to travel faster-then-light. Has anybody actually disputed this claim?

[Sparko]

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My "standard of worthwhile" is fair and reasonable. Simply provide a scenario by which
you think interstellar travel is achievable WITHOUT invoking sci-fi "science" such as
quantum teleportation or warp drive. Like I said before, if what you want is a 'blank
check' that allows you ANYTHING then I would not even have started this thread.
With a blank check in which any amount may be written then ANYTHING is possible.

BTW, for the umpteenth time, I am well aware about what you say ("100 years ago" ... etc.).
But this sounds to me like you are insisting on having a blank check. In the "science" of
today --- based on Materialism and Evolutionism --- blank checks are commonplace.
For instance, these "scientists" do not have a clue about how life could have originated
from only undirected raw chemicals. The 'blank check' that they sell to a gullible public
is that "it must have happened 'cause here we are!" And so we get people like
Kauffman writing "self-organization processes" on his blank check - processes that have
never been observed. Sparko wrote "quantum teleportation" on his blank check and it
sounds to me like you want the same 'check-writing' privileges.

Go ahead, give it a try ... it won't hurt. Tell us how you think interstellar travel is possible
and I will quickly tell you why it isn't.

(I'm in Kansas City returning home today so "see" you tomorrow or later)

Jorge

It is very simple to do now, but it will take a long time to reach another star.

1. First hollow out an asteroid and use it as a generation ship. People will live inside it for hundreds of years till they reach the other planet.
2. Then strap Jorge to the rear of the asteroid, head facing away from the direction of travel.
3. When you are ready to take off, simply pop Jorge's head and let out the hot air. The resultant thrust will be more than enough to reach the other planet

[wattsr1]

Has anybody actually disputed this claim?

I doubt it. But given Jorge's latest stuff-ups, I think he's trying to make himself look clever again. The OP is a bit like shadow boxing.

[lilpixieofterror]

I doubt it. But given Jorge's latest stuff-ups, I think he's trying to make himself look clever again. The OP is a bit like shadow boxing.

Sounds like it. Sure, it is possible that something like a wormhole and warp drive could be possible, but nobody has argued that current understandings say it is. At worst, it is unlikely we will ever travel faster than light because it is impossible or harder to do than we know and at best, we do not know how to do yet, but will someday. Nobody has said otherwise, so really... what is the point of this thread beyond stating what everybody already knows?

[RBerman]

My "standard of worthwhile" is fair and reasonable. Simply provide a scenario by which
you think interstellar travel is achievable WITHOUT invoking sci-fi "science" such as
quantum teleportation or warp drive. Like I said before, if what you want is a 'blank
check' that allows you ANYTHING then I would not even have started this thread.
With a blank check in which any amount may be written then ANYTHING is possible.

You don't seem to realize that your request is self-contradictory. As best I can tell, everyone in this thread agrees that current science is inadequate to the task of safe, successful interstellar travel. And everyone in this thread agrees that some discovery in the future might change that. You seem to be asking what that discovery would be. But it hasn't been discovered yet, so I can't very well tell you. Thus it does look like a "blank check" from our perspective.

[Sparko]

You don't seem to realize that your request is self-contradictory. As best I can tell, everyone in this thread agrees that current science is inadequate to the task of safe, successful interstellar travel. And everyone in this thread agrees that some discovery in the future might change that. You seem to be asking what that discovery would be. But it hasn't been discovered yet, so I can't very well tell you. Thus it does look like a "blank check" from our perspective.

Yeah it's like someone in 1700 saying that talking to someone on the other side of the world was impossible and will never happen and challenged people to prove him wrong WITHOUT invoking "science fiction"

They wouldn't even have conceived of radio or satellites back then, or even electronics!