Trump Jr Crushes Journalists*

[Sparko]

It makes him feel smart.

But they are always biased or wrong.

[Bill the Cat]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fe37693fb6ef

[Mountain Man]

What is with Starlight and polls and charts anyway?

They tell him what he wants to hear even though he has to know by now that they're almost certainly wrong. It's known as "taking the okeydoke" meaning you know you're being played, but you think you can work it to your advantage.

[One Bad Pig]

They tell him what he wants to hear even though he has to know by now that they're almost certainly wrong. It's known as "taking the okeydoke" meaning you know you're being played, but you think you can work it to your advantage.

I'm pretty sure he uses them because he thinks they're accurate. While that may be wishful thinking on his part, I don't think that he's deliberately being dishonest.

[JimL]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.fe37693fb6ef

Its not so much about Russian intervention in elections, its about U.S. citizen cooperation with Russian intervention in elections. That's illegal!

[Mountain Man]

I'm pretty sure he uses them because he thinks they're accurate. While that may be wishful thinking on his part, I don't think that he's deliberately being dishonest.

I don't see how anybody even moderately intelligent - and he fits in that category - doesn't know by now that opinion polls are basically fiction designed to shape public opinion rather than reflect it.

[Mountain Man]

Its not so much about Russian intervention in elections, its about U.S. citizen cooperation with Russian intervention in elections. That's illegal!

So you're saying it was illegal for Hillary to cooperate with the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort?

[Bill the Cat]

Its not so much about Russian intervention in elections, its about U.S. citizen cooperation with Russian intervention in elections. That's illegal!

no it isn't illegal.

[One Bad Pig]

I don't see how anybody even moderately intelligent - and he fits in that category - doesn't know by now that opinion polls are basically fiction designed to shape public opinion rather than reflect it.

Dollars to donuts your opinion differs from many who work in the field.

[JimL]

So you're saying it was illegal for Hillary to cooperate with the Ukrainian government to dig up dirt on Trump's campaign manager Paul Manafort?

Nope, but that accussation is typical of consevative talking (empty) heads like yourself. "If we get busted, then just blame them for the same thing." As if that would make it okay!

http://www.rocketcitynow.com/news/po...ials/765858707

[Mountain Man]

Dollars to donuts your opinion differs from many who work in the field.

The first and only time I participated in a phone poll, I quickly realized that no matter what answer I gave, the pollster was guaranteed the results they wanted. It was three questions:

1) Are you in favor of raising taxes on personal income?
2) Are you in favor of raising taxes on businesses?
3) Are you more in favor of raising taxes on personal income, or raising taxes on businesses?

I answered no, no, and neither, at which point I was told that "neither" wasn't an option and that I had to choose one. I persisted that I was in favor of neither and to please put that down as my answer. I was then informed that since "neither" wasn't a valid option that the rest of my answers would be discounted and sorry for wasting my time.

But you can see where the survey was going: "A recent poll showed that the public is divided on whether to raise taxes on personal income or to raise it on businesses. 56% said blah blah blah..." It gives the impression that everybody is on board with a tax increase, but they disagree on where it should be increased.

[One Bad Pig]

The first and only time I participated in a phone poll, I quickly realized that no matter what answer I gave, the pollster was guaranteed the results they wanted. It was three questions:

1) Are you in favor of raising taxes on personal income?
2) Are you in favor of raising taxes on businesses?
3) Are you more in favor of raising taxes on personal income, or raising taxes on businesses?

I answered no, no, and neither, at which point I was told that "neither" wasn't an option and that I had to choose one. I persisted that I was in favor of neither and to please put that down as my answer. I was then informed that since "neither" wasn't a valid option that the rest of my answers would be discounted and sorry for wasting my time.

But you can see where the survey was going: "A recent poll showed that the public is divided on whether to raise taxes on personal income or to raise it on businesses. 56% said blah blah blah..." It gives the impression that everybody is on board with a tax increase, but they disagree on where it should be increased.

You're extrapolating from a sample of one. You're also looking at it in the worst possible light. I agree that polls can be worded to guide opinion, but disagree that it is necessarily so. I'm quite confident that not every pollster has nefarious designs in mind.

[Mountain Man]

Nope, but that accussation is typical of consevative talking (empty) heads like yourself. "If we get busted, then just blame them for the same thing." As if that would make it okay!

http://www.rocketcitynow.com/news/po...ials/765858707

Sorry, but it doesn't go away that easily. The Clinton campaign used information given to them by the Ukrainian government to force Paul Manafort to resign. This was reported by the Politico, so you can't do your usual genetic fallacy dodge.

Source: Politico

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ackfire-233446

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Now Chalupa is apparently telling CNN that she didn't know nothin' 'bout nothin'. Was she lying then, or is she lying now?

[Starlight]

What is with Starlight and polls and charts anyway?

I seem to recall you used to accuse Sam of the same thing.

It's almost like data annoys you because you prefer your imaginary views to reality.

[Starlight]

But they are always biased or wrong.

I'm reminded of a Stephen Colbert quote: "Reality has a well-known liberal bias".