Jesus questions for mormons

[nrajeff]

Good, because I am interested in both sides of that ancient debate.

[Sparko]

Do you have quotes from mainline Christians Jeff, or just heretics?

[OtherCheek]

Not interested in fake scripture...

Then I would expect that you will never again ask another question as to LDS doctrines or teachings.

[Cow Poke]

Then I would expect that you will never again ask another question as to LDS doctrines or teachings.

Oh come on, OC ... you know better than that!

[Bill the Cat]

Then I would expect that you will never again ask another question as to LDS doctrines or teachings.

When I ask questions, it is to see if the Bible supports your doctrines... which it frequently does not.

[OtherCheek]

When I ask questions, it is to see if the Bible supports your doctrines... which it frequently does not.

And when I answer questions that ask what we believe and teach, I will continue to quote from any and all of the 4 Standard Works of the Church, for THAT represents our actual doctrine.

[Bill the Cat]

And when I answer questions that ask what we believe and teach, I will continue to quote from any and all of the 4 Standard Works of the Church, for THAT represents our actual doctrine.

And I will look for evidence that shows that the doctrine can be supported in the early church, since your church claims to be a restoration...

[Cow Poke]

And when I answer questions that ask what we believe and teach, I will continue to quote from any and all of the 4 Standard Works of the Church, for THAT represents our actual doctrine.

Even with continuing revelation? Is there any doctrine that is NOT supported by the Standard Works?

[nrajeff]

Do you have quotes from mainline Christians Jeff, or just heretics?

You have to first supply the official authoritative list of what qualifies a Christian as a heretic, before that question can be answered. I "choose" to not recognize your subjective definitions of terms.

[master_mormon]

They argue that the Heavenly Father has always been sinless because that is what Jesus was/is. Yet THEY are not sinless. So why believe that a sinner can become a full-fledged God?

2. Why did we forget who we were when we were born on Earth? Why not let us remember? is it something "built-in" to being born? and why did Jesus remember who He was? Why didn't HE forget?

Whether a being committed a sin at some point in its existence really has no bearing on whether it can be a "full-fledged God" as you call it. LDS believe that through the Atonement of Christ that our sins can be forgiven and we can be made completely clean. It is as though the sin was never committed. The beings that inhabit the Celestial Kingdom are not considered sinners. A sterile device whether manufactured sterile or made sterile later one does not matter. When it is sterile it is sterile. A perfect being is a perfect being. Whether that being made mistakes along the way to achieve perfection really does not matter. God the Father is a perfect being. He does not make mistakes or sin. That is really all that matters.

Why we forgot is simple. You can't formulate a good test if you give the person the answers while taking the test. Life is meant to be a test of faith and not knowledge. We past the test of doing the right thing with all the answers in plan view. Now we are on the bigger test which is to pass the test with a limited knowledge. Will we trust God and follow him with limited knowledge. We already showed the Father we could pass the tests with a full knowledge. We believe that Jesus did forget but was able to relearn a lot of it through revelation quite quickly. Jesus has to pass through the same channels as we did.

[Cow Poke]

Whether a being committed a sin at some point in its existence really has no bearing on whether it can be a "full-fledged God" as you call it. LDS believe that through the Atonement of Christ that our sins can be forgiven and we can be made completely clean. It is as though the sin was never committed. The beings that inhabit the Celestial Kingdom are not considered sinners. A sterile device whether manufactured sterile or made sterile later one does not matter. When it is sterile it is sterile. A perfect being is a perfect being. Whether that being made mistakes along the way to achieve perfection really does not matter. God the Father is a perfect being. He does not make mistakes or sin. That is really all that matters.

My God never sinned. NEVER. And THAT is really all that matters. Well, that, and the fact that Jesus Christ will present me faultless to the Father in HIS own righteousness.

Why we forgot is simple. You can't formulate a good test if you give the person the answers while taking the test. Life is meant to be a test of faith and not knowledge. We past the test of doing the right thing with all the answers in plan view. Now we are on the bigger test which is to pass the test with a limited knowledge. Will we trust God and follow him with limited knowledge. We already showed the Father we could pass the tests with a full knowledge. We believe that Jesus did forget but was able to relearn a lot of it through revelation quite quickly. Jesus has to pass through the same channels as we did.

Since you and Jeff seem to be on this "academia" theme maybe you can tell me what college or university lets you take the test with the answers in full view, then lets you take the test "for real" after being "flash thingied".

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[OtherCheek]

Even with continuing revelation? Is there any doctrine that is NOT supported by the Standard Works?

No

[Cerebrum123]

Whether a being committed a sin at some point in its existence really has no bearing on whether it can be a "full-fledged God" as you call it. LDS believe that through the Atonement of Christ that our sins can be forgiven and we can be made completely clean. It is as though the sin was never committed. The beings that inhabit the Celestial Kingdom are not considered sinners. A sterile device whether manufactured sterile or made sterile later one does not matter. When it is sterile it is sterile. A perfect being is a perfect being. Whether that being made mistakes along the way to achieve perfection really does not matter. God the Father is a perfect being. He does not make mistakes or sin. That is really all that matters.

Why we forgot is simple. You can't formulate a good test if you give the person the answers while taking the test. Life is meant to be a test of faith and not knowledge. We past the test of doing the right thing with all the answers in plan view. Now we are on the bigger test which is to pass the test with a limited knowledge. Will we trust God and follow him with limited knowledge. We already showed the Father we could pass the tests with a full knowledge. We believe that Jesus did forget but was able to relearn a lot of it through revelation quite quickly. Jesus has to pass through the same channels as we did.

I thought that LDS believed that Jesus started out as a god, and didn't have to "work His way up".

[Cow Poke]

No

OK, after I wrote that it occurred to me that you consider the Standard Works an "open canon", yes? Would THAT be why your answer is no? Your Standard Works "change" to accommodate (or facilitate?) the changing doctrine?

[nrajeff]

I thought that LDS believed that Jesus started out as a god, and didn't have to "work His way up".

That's the problem with some anti-LDS people: They attack before they really understand what it is they are attacking.