Lower than the Angels?

[Cerebrum123]

Are angels the same as "premortal souls", or are they something different? Also, what are your thoughts on this verse?

Hebrews 2:6-8
New International Version (NIV)
6 But there is a place where someone has testified:

“What is mankind that you are mindful of them,
a son of man that you care for him?
7 You made them a little[a] lower than the angels;
you crowned them with glory and honor
8 and put everything under their feet.”[b][c]
In putting everything under them,[d] God left nothing that is not subject to them.[e] Yet at present we do not see everything subject to them.

Aren't angels supposed to have been born to God's "eternal wife"? Why would we be "lower than the angels" if we are basically the same thing?

[KingsGambit]

I don't want to derail the thread, but I am curious how we will get to judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3) if we are lower than them.

[Cerebrum123]

I don't want to derail the thread, but I am curious how we will get to judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3) if we are lower than them.

[Catholicity]

I thought a lot of them had kind of met their doom already.

[KingsGambit]

I thought a lot of them had kind of met their doom already.

Based on Jude 6, it would seem the fallen angels are imprisoned but haven't had their final judgment yet.

[Scrawly]

I don't want to derail the thread, but I am curious how we will get to judge angels (1 Corinthians 6:3) if we are lower than them.

I gotta run so I probably can't dialogue about this but it probably goes something like this: After our adoption into the family of God by the work of Christ we are now in a much better position than we would have been pre-fall days due to the fact that we will share in Christ's reign and that will be in full bloom when the saints, with Christ, judge the world.

[onefour1]

In LDS thought, to be an angel means that you are a messenger. In LDS scripture God has taught us that no angel administers to this earth but those who have or do belong to it. Angels are messengers from God who are men who have belonged to this earth or will belong to it. Angels are mankind. Michael the archangel is Adam. Gabriel is Noah. The angel Moroni, who once existed on this American continent anciently as a man, appeared before the prophet Joseph Smith. Before this world was created, Satan rebelled against the Father and persuaded 1/3 of the hosts of heaven to follow after him. These spirits are known in the Book of Revelation as the Devil's angels. Disembodied spirits can be messengers as well as resurrected beings. John the Baptist and Peter, James and John appeared to Joseph Smith to restore the priesthood. They were resurrected beings. However, angels who appeared prior to the Lord being resurrected were disembodied spirits.

In the celestial kingdom, there are three degrees. Only the highest degree of beings are exalted beings. They become like God. The others are messengers or angels of God. If one reaches exaltation, then that person will pass by all the angels and be greater than them in the kingdom of heaven.

[Cerebrum123]

In LDS thought, to be an angel means that you are a messenger. In LDS scripture God has taught us that no angel administers to this earth but those who have or do belong to it. Angels are messengers from God who are men who have belonged to this earth or will belong to it. Angels are mankind. Michael the archangel is Adam. Gabriel is Noah. The angel Moroni, who once existed on this American continent anciently as a man, appeared before the prophet Joseph Smith. Before this world was created, Satan rebelled against the Father and persuaded 1/3 of the hosts of heaven to follow after him. These spirits are known in the Book of Revelation as the Devil's angels. Disembodied spirits can be messengers as well as resurrected beings. John the Baptist and Peter, James and John appeared to Joseph Smith to restore the priesthood. They were resurrected beings. However, angels who appeared prior to the Lord being resurrected were disembodied spirits.

In the celestial kingdom, there are three degrees. Only the highest degree of beings are exalted beings. They become like God. The others are messengers or angels of God. If one reaches exaltation, then that person will pass by all the angels and be greater than them in the kingdom of heaven.

I thought that Adam was supposed to be God, and now you are saying Adam and Micheal are the same? Can you give any reason why we should think that Micheal was Adam? And why would the name change? Also, your explanation makes 0 sense of the fact of being " a little lower than the angels". How can we as humans be "lower" than the angels, if they are simply humans to begin with? Also, the Bible specifically separates angels and humans as ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BEINGS. Sorry onefou1, but that answer makes no sense.

[onefour1]

I thought that Adam was supposed to be God, and now you are saying Adam and Micheal are the same? Can you give any reason why we should think that Micheal was Adam? And why would the name change? Also, your explanation makes 0 sense of the fact of being " a little lower than the angels". How can we as humans be "lower" than the angels, if they are simply humans to begin with? Also, the Bible specifically separates angels and humans as ENTIRELY DIFFERENT BEINGS. Sorry onefou1, but that answer makes no sense.

Adam is not God the Father. I know that Brigham Young taught it but he was wrong. But direct revelation to the prophet Joseph Smith revealed that Adam is Michael the archangel or The Ancient of Days.

Doctrine and Covenants 27:11

11 And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days;

Doctrine and Covenants 107:54

54 And the Lord appeared unto them, and they rose up and blessed Adam, and called him Michael, the prince, the archangel.

The name means "Like unto God". It is a second name given to Adam.

On this earth those who will eventually be exalted are a little lower than those angels who reside in the presence of God in the celestial kingdom. But when the receive their exaltation, they will pass by the angels and be over them. We on this earth are lower than them because we have not received our eternal status. These angels of the celestial kingdom have already been judged worthy of that kingdom and are of a higher status than we are in this telestial like earth. Only when those on this earth receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom will they be exalted above the angels who inherit the same kingdom.

Please give me references in the bible that show that angels are not the same species as man.

Two angels in Gen 19:1 were sent to home of Lot. But the perverse men of the city who were homosexuals came to the house as said:


5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

[Cerebrum123]

Adam is not God the Father. I know that Brigham Young taught it but he was wrong. But direct revelation to the prophet Joseph Smith revealed that Adam is Michael the archangel or The Ancient of Days.

Doctrine and Covenants 27:11

11 And also with Michael, or Adam, the father of all, the prince of all, the ancient of days;

Doctrine and Covenants 107:54

54 And the Lord appeared unto them, and they rose up and blessed Adam, and called him Michael, the prince, the archangel.

The name means "Like unto God". It is a second name given to Adam.

On this earth those who will eventually be exalted are a little lower than those angels who reside in the presence of God in the celestial kingdom. But when the receive their exaltation, they will pass by the angels and be over them. We on this earth are lower than them because we have not received our eternal status. These angels of the celestial kingdom have already been judged worthy of that kingdom and are of a higher status than we are in this telestial like earth. Only when those on this earth receive exaltation in the celestial kingdom will they be exalted above the angels who inherit the same kingdom.

Please give me references in the bible that show that angels are not the same species as man.

Two angels in Gen 19:1 were sent to home of Lot. But the perverse men of the city who were homosexuals came to the house as said:


5 And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

You do know that "the ancient of days" is another name for God, right? So... technically if the above is accurate, then God is Adam, AND Micheal the archangel. Wow, this is even more confusing than I thought.

Isaiah 43:12-14
New International Version (NIV)
12 I have revealed and saved and proclaimed—
I, and not some foreign god among you.
You are my witnesses, ” declares the Lord, “that I am God.
13 Yes, and from ancient days I am he.
No one can deliver out of my hand.
When I act, who can reverse it?”

Daniel 7:9
“As I looked, “thrones were set in place, and the Ancient of Days took his seat. His clothing was as white as snow; the hair of his head was white like wool. His throne was flaming with fire, and its wheels were all ablaze.

Daniel 7:13
“In my vision at night I looked, and there before me was one like a son of man, coming with the clouds of heaven. He approached the Ancient of Days and was led into his presence.

Daniel 7:22
until the Ancient of Days came and pronounced judgment in favor of the holy people of the Most High, and the time came when they possessed the kingdom.

[Cow Poke]

Adam is not God the Father. I know that Brigham Young taught it but he was wrong.

And, it wouldn't be the first time.

This is what's amazing .... when one of your guys teaches something that, at the time, is accepted as true, somebody else can come along and declare it false, but there seems to be no problem that one of your "prophets" really screwed up, because you can just hand wave it as "he wasn't speaking as a prophet", or some such other excuse. How do you know that what is being taught NOW by your Church is not wrong, or WILL BE declared wrong in the future! The shifting sands of time.

[Bill the Cat]

And why did Moroni get to keep his name while Adam and Noah didn't?

[Cow Poke]

And why did Moroni get to keep his name while Adam and Noah didn't?

Cause Smith made it up.

[Bill the Cat]

cause smith made it all up.

fify

[Cow Poke]

fify

Well, yeah, that, too!