Post-Mortem apostasy

[Bill the Cat]

Since Mormons teach that people can repent and accept the Gospel in the hereafter, I'd like to know... can they also apostasize and lose their salvation in the hereafter?

[KingsGambit]

In LDS teachings, what sort of state are people in when given a chance to repent post-mortem? Is it some kind of purgatory state? A hell? Other?

[nrajeff]

Since Mormons teach that people can repent and accept the Gospel in the hereafter, I'd like to know... can they also apostasize and lose their salvation in the hereafter?

I am not aware of any scripture or doctrine that precludes the possibility. I think the idea is that people are free to make choices to obey or to rebel against God, up to Judgment Day.

[Sparko]

I am not aware of any scripture or doctrine that precludes the possibility. I think the idea is that people are free to make choices to obey or to rebel against God, up to Judgment Day.

what changes at Judgment day? why can't they rebel after that? No free will? What if they decided after they became gods to be evil Gods? What is stopping our God from becoming evil since he is just a deified man?

[Cow Poke]

[nrajeff]

what changes at Judgment day?

After Finals Week is over, it's too late make up missing assignments that might have gotten you a passing grade.

why can't they rebel after that? No free will?

After the final exam has ended, the idea of writing snarky remarks on your test paper becomes moot. The test is over. You can't go back in time to a point when the test was still being given, and make your grade worse, or change answers.

What if they decided after they became gods to be evil Gods?

That can't happen by definition. God only chooses for candidates people who have already proven, through their choices they made, their loyalty to Him. By definition, beings entrusted with the awesome powers that God has, WON'T turn to the dark side. Any who would have, already got weeded out before the powers were conferred.

What is stopping our God from becoming evil since he is just a deified man?

Uh, the fact that He is NOT "JUST" a deified man. Beings who are given God's powers, knowledge, and abilities, FIRST proved that they had developed His personality traits for love, wisdom, and good judgment. God is not JUST a man, that he lies.

[Cerebrum123]

[Cow Poke]

After Finals Week is over, it's too late make up missing assignments that might have gotten you a passing grade.

But if you do well enough in other courses, it can bring up your GPA!

After the final exam has ended, the idea of writing snarky remarks on your test paper becomes moot. The test is over. You can't go back in time to a point when the test was still being given, and make your grade worse, or change answers.

Tried that, have ya?

[OtherCheek]

In LDS teachings, what sort of state are people in when given a chance to repent post-mortem? Is it some kind of purgatory state? A hell? Other?

LDS teachings indicate that the preaching of the Gospel is pretty much the ONLY work that is taking place in the Spirit World. It is there that everyone who didn't receive a fair hearing in life, will receive their fair hearing in their own tongue. Once a person is taught any principle of truth, that person is then obligated to either accept it by covenant, and abide by it, or reject it.

In the spirit world there are 2 major divisions. The righteous are caught up in a state of paradise, while the wicked are confined to a spirit prison. See Alma 40: 12-14

[Sparko]

After Finals Week is over, it's too late make up missing assignments that might have gotten you a passing grade.


After the final exam has ended, the idea of writing snarky remarks on your test paper becomes moot. The test is over. You can't go back in time to a point when the test was still being given, and make your grade worse, or change answers.

gee that sounds pretty snarky to me Jeff. How about a serious answer? We say that once you die you are no longer able to choose the gospel, and you disagree. So why would someone who was judged not be able to change their mind? Does God take away their ability to use their free will?

That can't happen by definition. God only chooses for candidates people who have already proven, through their choices they made, their loyalty to Him. By definition, beings entrusted with the awesome powers that God has, WON'T turn to the dark side. Any who would have, already got weeded out before the powers were conferred.

Uh, the fact that He is NOT "JUST" a deified man. Beings who are given God's powers, knowledge, and abilities, FIRST proved that they had developed His personality traits for love, wisdom, and good judgment. God is not JUST a man, that he lies.

Hmm, so what happened with Satan?

[Catholicity]

Alma looks like a plagiarism of this scripture "Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those who were following, "Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel.I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matt 8:10-12) and this one (Matt 13:41-42)
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

[OtherCheek]

Alma looks like a plagiarism of this scripture "Now when Jesus heard this, He marveled and said to those who were following, "Truly I say to you, I have not found such great faith with anyone in Israel.I say to you that many will come from east and west, and recline at the table with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob in the kingdom of heaven; but the sons of the kingdom will be cast out into the outer darkness; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth." (Matt 8:10-12) and this one (Matt 13:41-42)
"The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness,and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Prophets frequently "plagiarize" (if you want to call it that), from what earlier prophets have said. The angel's announcement to Mary regarding bearing a Son might sound like a plagiarism of something from Isaiah. Repeating the same gospel truths on 2 different continents is to be expected if there truly is one God over all the earth.

[mossrose]

Prophets frequently "plagiarize" (if you want to call it that), from what earlier prophets have said. The angel's announcement to Mary regarding bearing a Son might sound like a plagiarism of something from Isaiah. Repeating the same gospel truths on 2 different continents is to be expected if there truly is one God over all the earth.

So, then, was the gospel declared also on the other continents? Europe? Eastern Asia? Africa? Australia? South America? Were there "Joseph Smith"s for each of those continents as well as North America? Or is the one God not God over all the earth after all?

[OtherCheek]

So, then, was the gospel declared also on the other continents? Europe? Eastern Asia? Africa? Australia? South America?

If there are records indicating such then in all likelihood, yes. If there are no records, then we just don't know for certain.

[mossrose]

If there are records indicating such then in all likelihood, yes. If there are no records, then we just don't know for certain.

But how will all the people in those other continents where there are no records (that we know of) become Mormons, then?

Interestingly, though, the BIBLE has been translated into languages from all over the world and have been distributed all over the world. Perhaps that is the only "record" that is necessary?

I mean, it would be a real shame if God didn't leave golden plates all over the place and put people like JS in place to "find" them so that peoples all over the world wouldn't have to wait until they are dead before they actually hear the gospel. Aren't there other "other" sheep? Not in North America?

Don't you think?