are OC and Jeff going to hell?

[Cow Poke]

You failed to put an apostrophe at the end of your contraction. Maybe it's the PTSD that's responsible for your rage that is evident when you post in anger.

Rage? There was some disgust, for sure, but not even a tiny bit of rage, Jeffie.

[nrajeff]

I actually like you guys, Jeff.

Then you are not normal. Normal people do NOT treat people they like the way you treat "us guys" here. Maybe you have "issues" where you confuse your sadistic treatment of others as a manifestation of your fondness for them. But that is not normal. If I treated you the way you treat OC and me, I could not honestly say that I like you.

and I am kinda chained here. I am a department head (as is BTC) for the LDS section.

You are not drafted into being here. You are free to leave if you want, correct? Or is TWEB a totalitarian state like East Berlin used to be, where you are not allowed to leave?

But you don't seem to be having fun.

Life is not always gonna be fun, plus I have learned a lot about people and their behavior during my stay here. Even if what I have learned is a cause for disappointment, it's still learning, and possibly of some worth.

So unlike a war, which this is not, you are not drafted into the LDS section.

Not everyone who fights in a war was drafted.

I think the real reason you stick around is that you enjoy being angry, and like to feel persecuted.

To the contrary--when I got here, I was hoping this would be a place where people discussed things in an acrimony-free way. I didn't realize what a jerk-fest this place was until after some time had passed, and I got to know the players on the playground. Normal people don't like being angry, any more than normal people like people who call them and their beliefs various derogatory things on a daily basis. If you guys would clean up your act and start acting like real Christians should--with some self-DISCIPLINE, as disciples should have as their goal--I PROMISE you I would happy.

Your logic could lead to the fallacious conclusion that the garbage man actually likes garbage, and the septic pumper actually likes sewage, because no one is forcing them to do what they do, and they don't quit their jobs.

So you act out, trying to push people into being even meaner to you

No one is forcing you to be meaner to people....correct? So it's not as if you're being PUSHED to do so--you make the conscious CHOICE to be even meaner.

, so you can feel better and more persecuted.

If your assumption had merit, then logic would dictate that you be NICER to the pro-LDS, not meaner...unless you ENJOY making people feel more persecuted, and thus continue to give them what it is that you SAY they are here for.

Your ultimate goal is probably to get yourself banned so you can pat yourself on the back and claim that we couldn't take the "truth" and had to get rid of you.

Doesn't that conclusion contradict your earlier claim that I WANT to STICK AROUND because I enjoy being angry? If your latest hypothesis is true, then once my "ultimate goal" is achieved, then won't my enjoyment cease?

The fact is, though Jeff, that you belong to a cult,

Seems YOU are in a cult of your own--a cult where you get off by putting others down, maliciously mocking them and their faith. Perhaps it assuages some guilt you feel for something in your past, or it helps you get through your daily doubts that you have in your own church's correctness.

Nobody wants to accept that they are wrong.

And your continued behavior is proof that you fall into that group. How many times have you admitted that your beliefs are wrong? Q.E.D.

[nrajeff]

Rage? There was some disgust, for sure, but not even a tiny bit of rage, Jeffie.

Sure. And if I could only talk to people you deal with in real life, whose beliefs you attack here in fairly un-Christian ways, I would "realize" that you're actually a really good, totally honest, nice, likeable person.

[Cow Poke]

I tried to be nice. Sometimes "nice" doesn't work on certain people. You are to be commended for continuing to attempt the impossible when others such as myself have become resigned to reality. But don't think for a minute that when CP started this offensive thread, he didn't also have you in mind--as an LDS who is just as LDS as OC and I are--when he implied that we are going to hell because we aren't yet sinless.

You might want to check your facts on who started this thread, Jeffie.

[OtherCheek]

OC, Even SMITH says that the one who is justified by works, his reward is reckoned as a debt!!!!

:rof: Even your own great prophet disagrees with you!!

Joseph is not saying that anyone is actually "justified" by the law of "works". He is saying that "if God were to justify man by the law of works, then rewards would be seen as payment for debt. But rewards are NOT a payment for debt, and God does not justify man by the law of works.

Mosiah 2:24
24 And secondly, he doth require that ye should do as he hath commanded you; for which if ye do, he doth immediately bless you; and therefore he hath paid [rewarded] you. And ye are still indebted unto him, and are, and will be, forever and ever; therefore, of what have ye to boast?

[Cow Poke]

Gosh Jeff, you're such a drama queen.

The QueenQueeniest!

[nrajeff]

You might want to check your facts on who started this thread, Jeffie.

Hey, it's only partly my fault: I clicked on the thread title but it failed to take me to the first page of the thread. Instead, it took me to one of your posts. Besides, are you and Sparko REALLY separate, distinct beings?

[Cow Poke]

Hey, it's only partly my fault: I clicked on the thread title but it failed to take me to the first page of the thread. Instead, it took me to one of your posts. Besides, are you and Sparko REALLY separate, distinct beings?

Apologize, Jeff. You made a false accusation.

[nrajeff]

Apologize, Jeff. You made a false accusation.

"Accusation"? Doesn't connote that creating this thread was a BAD thing?

Nevertheless, here you go:

I apologize to you for accusing you of creating this abortion of a thread, when the blame really deservedly should go to Sparko.

[Cow Poke]

"Accusation"? Doesn't connote that creating this thread was a BAD thing?

Nevertheless, here you go:

I apologize to you for accusing you of creating this abortion of a thread, when the blame really deservedly should go to Sparko.

Thanks, Jeff. Exactly the "class" and "elegance" I would expect from you. Like you accused Sparko and I of the "Jeff fa fa fa" thing.

Meanwhile, while you're doing all your prissy DramaQueen stuff and the stupid "PTSD" thing, you still continue to be a screwup. Good job!

[nrajeff]

Thanks, Jeff. Exactly the "class" and "elegance" I would expect from you. Like you accused Sparko and I of the "Jeff fa fa fa" thing.

Meanwhile, while you're doing all your prissy DramaQueen stuff and the stupid "PTSD" thing, you still continue to be a screwup. Good job!

But Sparko LIKES ME--he really, really LIKES me! 'Cause I'm just so much FUN!

[Cow Poke]

But Sparko LIKES ME--he really, really LIKES me! 'Cause I'm just so much FUN!

I used to. And still do, at times, but not so much right now. You CAN be witty and charming, but you can also be ... other stuff.

[nrajeff]

I used to. And still do, at times, but not so much right now. You CAN be witty and charming, but you can also be ... other stuff.

Ironic how you seem totally oblivious to the ugliness in this forum unless you see it in OC and me. This forum is in late-stage metastatic cancer, and all you see and disapprove of is a couple of cells that were late-comers to the patient's body.

[Cow Poke]

Ironic how you seem totally oblivious to the ugliness in this forum unless you see it in OC and me.

Not so much OC. Mostly you. Unfortunately, you have a far greater negative impact on OC than he has a positive impact on you. OC is, in my opinion, MUCH easier to deal with when you're not breathing your dragon breath on this forum.

This forum is in late-stage metastatic cancer, and all you see and disapprove of is a couple of cells that were late-comers to the patient's body.

I think the "cancer" is the bitterness in your heart, Jeff. You have a root of bitterness that flares up with the least little provocation. It is MY opinion that OC's faith is genuine and deep, but yours is "head knowledge" and "surface".

[Sparko]

Then you are not normal. Normal people do NOT treat people they like the way you treat "us guys" here. Maybe you have "issues" where you confuse your sadistic treatment of others as a manifestation of your fondness for them. But that is not normal. If I treated you the way you treat OC and me, I could not honestly say that I like you.

well since you claim you are just treating us like we treat you, I guess that means you don't like us, eh?

Sorry to hear that, Jeff, but when you are not acting like a pedantic jerk, you are actually a pretty likeable guy. I forgive you.

You are not drafted into being here. You are free to leave if you want, correct? Or is TWEB a totalitarian state like East Berlin used to be, where you are not allowed to leave?

apparently it is, since you are still here too.

Life is not always gonna be fun, plus I have learned a lot about people and their behavior during my stay here. Even if what I have learned is a cause for disappointment, it's still learning, and possibly of some worth.

apparently, according to your motivations for acting like a jerk, you have learned to become us. How's that feel?

To the contrary--when I got here, I was hoping this would be a place where people discussed things in an acrimony-free way. I didn't realize what a jerk-fest this place was until after some time had passed, and I got to know the players on the playground. Normal people don't like being angry, any more than normal people like people who call them and their beliefs various derogatory things on a daily basis. If you guys would clean up your act and start acting like real Christians should--with some self-DISCIPLINE, as disciples should have as their goal--I PROMISE you I would happy.

ah so when you got here you expected a forum where everyone would agree with you and then you found out that was not the case and you got upset.

Your logic could lead to the fallacious conclusion that the garbage man actually likes garbage, and the septic pumper actually likes sewage, because no one is forcing them to do what they do, and they don't quit their jobs.

you are the one who seems the seeker of persecution Jeff.

No one is forcing you to be meaner to people....correct? So it's not as if you're being PUSHED to do so--you make the conscious CHOICE to be even meaner.

I haven't been mean to you. I just want to have a discussion and all I get from you and OC are accusations of mocking and being an anti.

If your assumption had merit, then logic would dictate that you be NICER to the pro-LDS, not meaner...unless you ENJOY making people feel more persecuted, and thus continue to give them what it is that you SAY they are here for.

funny but I get along fine with the OTHER pro-LDS on this board, there seems to be only 4 who don't seem to get along with us: you, OC, Jo, and Frank.

Doesn't that conclusion contradict your earlier claim that I WANT to STICK AROUND because I enjoy being angry? If your latest hypothesis is true, then once my "ultimate goal" is achieved, then won't my enjoyment cease?

nah, cuz then you can move on to another site and start over claiming how mean twebbers were to you.

Seems YOU are in a cult of your own--a cult where you get off by putting others down, maliciously mocking them and their faith. Perhaps it assuages some guilt you feel for something in your past, or it helps you get through your daily doubts that you have in your own church's correctness.

eh?

And your continued behavior is proof that you fall into that group. How many times have you admitted that your beliefs are wrong? Q.E.D.

I have changed several of my beliefs since I have become a Christian and since joining Tweb. and when I am wrong, I freely admit it. It's not a big deal jeff, you should try it sometime.