SBC Presidents said dumb stuff like Mormon Prophets?

[lilpixieofterror]

That much seems to be right, although if it's true that none of them ever got any inspiration from God, it would be lamentable.

And your prophets did and they said as silly or more silly stuff. Do you deny this Jeff?

Not the issue, just like "Nobody claimed the SBC leadership was getting revelation" is not the issue. The issue was simply whether there have been cases where some Baptist leaders said things that would be roughly equivalent, stupidity-wise, to some things that some LDS leaders allegedly said.

People say stupid things, that is hardly anything new or anything to debate about. The difference is that the leaders of the SBC did not claim to be prophets that got revelation straight from God. Yours did and thus the difference.

That is demonstrably not an accurate statement.

True I did mispeak because your prophets seem to change up their 'revelation' whenever it becomes convient.

[Sparko]

as an apostate church, I would expect our leaders to say bad things, so what is the LDS church's excuse?

[nrajeff]

as an apostate church, I would expect our leaders to say bad things, so what is the LDS church's excuse?

Those leaders used to be in YOUR churches--when they switched over to LDS, they brought some of their bad habits with them?

[Cow Poke]

Those leaders used to be in YOUR churches--when they switched over to LDS, they brought some of their bad habits with them?

How bout some actual citations, Jeff, to back up your position? Here is what you said:

"YOUR top guys in YOUR organization don't exactly have a history of being inerrant when it comes to discerning what God was really saying and what He really wanted people to be doing....

The history of the SBC, and its origins dating back to antiquity...

[Sparko]

Those leaders used to be in YOUR churches--when they switched over to LDS, they brought some of their bad habits with them?

Which ones were leaders in our churches and became leaders in the LDS?

[nrajeff]

Which ones were leaders in our churches and became leaders in the LDS?

Brigham Young, your favorite leader, converted from Methodism at the age of 30.

[Sparko]

Brigham Young, your favorite leader, converted from Methodism at the age of 30.

wow. he was a leader in the Methodist church and taught terrible things like racism?

[Cow Poke]

Brigham Young, your favorite leader, converted from Methodism at the age of 30.

Fast forward to the Baptists, please... THAT was your original premise. See the OP if you forget.

[nrajeff]

John Taylor was a Methodist, too, before his conversion. Wilford Woodruff, while a Christian believer from his childhood, had not joined up with any denomination until he met LDS missionaries and heard their message. This is part of his summary of his life up until then:

At an early age my mind was exercised upon religious subjects, although I never made a profession until 1830. I did not then join any church, for the reason that I could not find any denomination whose doctrines, faith or practice, agreed with the gospel of Jesus Christ, or the ordinances and gifts which the Apostles taught. Although the ministers of the day taught that the faith, gifts, graces, miracles and ordinances, which the ancient Saints enjoyed, were done away and no longer needed, I did not believe it to be true, only as they were done away through the unbelief of the children of men. I believed the same gifts, graces, miracles and power would be manifest in one age of the world as in another, when God had a church upon the earth, and that the Church of God would be reestablished upon the earth, and that I should live to see it. These principles were riveted upon my mind from the perusal of the Old and New Testament[s], with fervent prayer that the Lord would show me what was right and wrong, and lead me in the path of salvation, without any regard to the opinions of man; and the whisperings of the Spirit of the Lord for the space of three years, taught me that he was about to set up his Church and kingdom upon the earth in the last days. I was taught these things from my youth by Robert Mason, an aged man, who lived in Simsbury, Connecticut, who was frequently called the old prophet Mason. He taught me many things which are now coming to pass. He did not believe that any man had authority to administer in the ordinances of the gospel, but believed it was our privilege, through faith, prayer and fasting, to heal the sick and cast out devils by the laying on of hands, which was the case under his administration, as many could testify.

[nrajeff]

Fast forward to the Baptists, please... THAT was your original premise. See the OP if you forget.

And here I thought you were the patient type. Which do you want first:

Southern Baptists who have said things that would be considered dumb by non-Southern Baptists?

Or a list AT SPARKO'S REQUEST of some LDS leaders who were members of non-LDS Christendom before they converted? Sheesh, ya try to give some people what they want, and they complain because they didn't get multiple requests simultaneously....

In case you forgot:

"Those leaders (LDS leaders who YOU think said dumb things) used to be in YOUR churches--when they switched over to LDS, they brought some of their bad habits with them?"

[Cow Poke]

John Taylor was a Methodist, too, before his conversion. Wilford Woodruff, while a Christian believer from his childhood, had not joined up with any denomination until he met LDS missionaries and heard their message. This is part of his summary of his life up until then:

At an early age my mind was exercised upon religious subjects, although I never made a profession until 1830. I did not then join any church, for the reason that I could not find any denomination whose doctrines, faith or practice, agreed with the gospel of Jesus Christ, or the ordinances and gifts which the Apostles taught. Although the ministers of the day taught that the faith, gifts, graces, miracles and ordinances, which the ancient Saints enjoyed, were done away and no longer needed, I did not believe it to be true, only as they were done away through the unbelief of the children of men. I believed the same gifts, graces, miracles and power would be manifest in one age of the world as in another, when God had a church upon the earth, and that the Church of God would be reestablished upon the earth, and that I should live to see it. These principles were riveted upon my mind from the perusal of the Old and New Testament[s], with fervent prayer that the Lord would show me what was right and wrong, and lead me in the path of salvation, without any regard to the opinions of man; and the whisperings of the Spirit of the Lord for the space of three years, taught me that he was about to set up his Church and kingdom upon the earth in the last days. I was taught these things from my youth by Robert Mason, an aged man, who lived in Simsbury, Connecticut, who was frequently called the old prophet Mason. He taught me many things which are now coming to pass. He did not believe that any man had authority to administer in the ordinances of the gospel, but believed it was our privilege, through faith, prayer and fasting, to heal the sick and cast out devils by the laying on of hands, which was the case under his administration, as many could testify.

You apparently have some men not very well grounded in the word who got conned into following Joseph Smith's false teachings. Is this supposed to be the "brought bad habits with them" thing?

[Sparko]

John Taylor was a Methodist, too, before his conversion. Wilford Woodruff, while a Christian believer from his childhood, had not joined up with any denomination until he met LDS missionaries and heard their message. This is part of his summary of his life up until then:

At an early age my mind was exercised upon religious subjects, although I never made a profession until 1830. I did not then join any church, for the reason that I could not find any denomination whose doctrines, faith or practice, agreed with the gospel of Jesus Christ, or the ordinances and gifts which the Apostles taught. Although the ministers of the day taught that the faith, gifts, graces, miracles and ordinances, which the ancient Saints enjoyed, were done away and no longer needed, I did not believe it to be true, only as they were done away through the unbelief of the children of men. I believed the same gifts, graces, miracles and power would be manifest in one age of the world as in another, when God had a church upon the earth, and that the Church of God would be reestablished upon the earth, and that I should live to see it. These principles were riveted upon my mind from the perusal of the Old and New Testament[s], with fervent prayer that the Lord would show me what was right and wrong, and lead me in the path of salvation, without any regard to the opinions of man; and the whisperings of the Spirit of the Lord for the space of three years, taught me that he was about to set up his Church and kingdom upon the earth in the last days. I was taught these things from my youth by Robert Mason, an aged man, who lived in Simsbury, Connecticut, who was frequently called the old prophet Mason. He taught me many things which are now coming to pass. He did not believe that any man had authority to administer in the ordinances of the gospel, but believed it was our privilege, through faith, prayer and fasting, to heal the sick and cast out devils by the laying on of hands, which was the case under his administration, as many could testify.

back up Jeff.
I said "as an apostate church, I would expect our leaders to say bad things, so what is the LDS church's excuse?

You said, "Those leaders used to be in YOUR churches--when they switched over to LDS, they brought some of their bad habits with them?"

Now you are just tossing out examples of "members" of congregations, not leaders of denominations like you first said. And you haven't given any examples of the bad habits they brought to the LDS.

[Cow Poke]

And here I thought you were the patient type. Which do you want first:

Southern Baptists who have said things that would be considered dumb by non-Southern Baptists?

Ah, the kabuki dance is in full swing? No, Jeff... not "Southern Baptists", but Southern Baptist Convention Presidents, or our "top leaders"..... Maybe you should re-read the OP?

[Cow Poke]

Here, for your convenience, Jeff, is the OP.....

Assuming I'm SBC (I HAVE been for parts of my life, but it's not my primary loyalty), I'm curious what Jeff thinks that Presidents of the Southern Baptist Convention have said that's anywhere near the goofy stuff that Brigham Young has taught as "doctrine", claiming that he was speaking "scripture".

Well, YOUR top guys in YOUR organization don't exactly have a history of being inerrant when it comes to discerning what God was really saying and what He really wanted people to be doing....

The history of the SBC, and its origins dating back to antiquity...

"My guys", of course, never claimed to be inerrant, and I'm fully aware that Mormons don't claim their "prophets" are either. I'm just curious what "my guys" might have said that was as dumb as the "Adam / God" fiasco or other Brigham Young type weirdnesses.

TOP GUYS in MY "organization", Jeff. That's what you claimed.

[nrajeff]

You apparently have some men not very well grounded in the word who got conned into following Joseph Smith's false teachings. Is this supposed to be the "brought bad habits with them" thing?

By YOUR biased standards, yes.

1. You think LDS leaders have said dumb things.
2. I suggested that since they belonged to what YOU feel to be "real" Christianity before they become LDS, then if you think their ideas are that mockery worthy, maybe you should be blaming their former churches for the seeds they planted.
Any other questions?