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    What Jesus Really Meant (IMO)

    Hello Everyone -

    I would like to share the (just completed, pdf format, 23 pages) first chapter of my treatise, titled "What Jesus Really Meant" with readers who may be interested in it. Commentary, whether supportive or critical, is welcome as it would help guide my formulation of future chapters - three in all are planned - and will be made available online for free (IOW, this is not a 'money making' ventrue on my part).

    Clicking on the link below will bring up a page at sendspace.com with a download button on it. You do not have to create and account and sign in to download the document - open with adobe reader or save to download folder options come up when the download button is clicked.

    Moderated By: ke7ejx

    No advertising allowed.

    ***If you wish to take issue with this notice DO NOT do so in this thread.***
    Contact the forum moderator or an administrator in Private Message or email instead. If you feel you must publicly complain or whine, please take it to the Padded Room unless told otherwise.



    The document has embedded links. Clicking on my name on the title page will take you the home page of my website if you want more information about me.

    Caveat to anyone who self-identifies as 'Christian': my take on Jesus and his God-and-world view is quite NON-traditional.
    Last edited by ke7ejx; 07-16-2017, 12:21 PM.
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    P.S. I just received a 'warning' from one of the admins saying that this is a discussion site and that advertising blogs or published works are not permitted. I just want to say that the chapter I mentioned and invited folks to read has not been 'published' in any normal sense. I am engaged in discussions on several forums regarding the matters addressed therein (as well as other matters pertaining to theology, religion, spiritualiity, spiritual development, in general). This piece is simply a 'bringing together into one place' of a bunch of connected ideas (and opinions, in this case mine) pertaining to such subjects, which I hope folks find worth thinking about and possibly integrating partly or wholly into their world-views. Of course, I would be very much interested in engaging in discussions about them if, as I hope, others here find them worth discussing. My simply initially offering what amounts to an 'essay' as possibly interesting reading material is a function of my not knowing whether or not people will find the ideas and opinions expressed therein meaningfully exciting enough to want to engage in conversationally bouncing around and exploring. As implied in my OP, such converseation would also serve to excite and focus me on developing other (related) ideas further - the ones which are presently just subliminally rambling around in the back of my mind, occasionally surfacing into consciousness, as I continue contemplating the 'river of Life' we are all paddling about in.

    Sincerely - David :)
    Last edited by davidsun; 07-15-2017, 12:47 PM.

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    • #3
      You are not allowed to post links of that sort regardless.
      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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        Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
        You are not allowed to post links of that sort regardless.
        And yet the admins have not removed it, despite the "warning."
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        • #5
          Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
          And yet the admins have not removed it, despite the "warning."
          Probably because different moderators are responsible for different parts of the board, and they attempt not to step on each other's toes. So they may offer a general warning, but wait for the mod responsible for the section to step in to actually edit the post.

          Added factors include that mods often discuss infractions with one another even if something occurs in their area, and also mods of a particular area may not be aware of every single infraction because they haven't logged in yet.

          It's pretty bureaucratic really, and honestly some things could probably be nipped in the bud quicker than others by just going ahead and taking care of things for mods that are not available, but it's an attempt to make sure that everything is done as carefully and as fair as possible. The forum that this forum spawned from was/is notorious for mods that were ruthless in their behavior, and quickness in giving infractions and banning people. This forum was set up to get away from that sort of system of rule.

          And, well, it's all volunteer work after all, so they're doing the best they can.

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          • #6
            Oh dear it's one of THOSE treatises.
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.
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            • #7
              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
              And yet the admins have not removed it, despite the "warning."
              Now it has.
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              • #8
                transubstantiated
                Last edited by davidsun; 07-16-2017, 08:55 PM.

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                • #9
                  P.S. Anyone wishing to receive and relate to the entirety of my above-referenced thesis in one fell swoop is invited contact me via email or PM - assuming my sharing the document or how to gain access to it that way won't violate forum policy.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by davidsun View Post
                    P.S. Anyone wishing to receive and relate to the entirety of my above-referenced thesis in one fell swoop is invited contact me via email or PM - assuming my sharing the document or how to gain access to it that way won't violate forum policy.
                    When you have enough posts (20-25 IIRC) you can have a signature where you can put a link to your blog.

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                    • #11
                      This may seem radical, but what if Jesus meant exactly what He said?
                      Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                      • #12
                        Deh. Were the quote to be considered in its entirety, there would be no way to make the claim. Considering half a quote (which is to say, taking it out of context), this and a host of other quotes can be wrested.

                        The people who made such claims about God were, by and large, prophets. I'll take such claims as being more adequate than I will the claims of people who aren't prophesying.

                        transubstantiated
                        Such was the presumption of outsiders. The founding apostles made no such claim; nor did disciples generally.

                        Hardly. The process of absorption was not taught, and the personal communion with Christ is predicated upon obedience.

                        Jesus himself made it clear that what he said was what he meant. His relationship to the father was that of a loyal and obedient son.
                        Last edited by tabibito; 07-17-2017, 01:37 AM.
                        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                        .
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                        Scripture before Tradition:
                        but that won't prevent others from
                        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                        of the right to call yourself Christian.
                        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                          This may seem radical, but what if Jesus meant exactly what He said?
                          there'd be no money in that.
                          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                          .
                          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                          Scripture before Tradition:
                          but that won't prevent others from
                          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                          of the right to call yourself Christian.
                          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                            This may seem radical, but what if Jesus meant exactly what He said?
                            unpossible!! He has to have secret meanings that only the specially blessed can understand!!! That way they can know they are the chosen ones and God likes them better than everyone else. duh.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              When you have enough posts (20-25 IIRC) you can have a signature where you can put a link to your blog.
                              Thanks for the info. Still a newbie learning the ropes.

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