What Jesus Really Meant (IMO)

[davidsun]

This may seem radical, but what if Jesus meant exactly what He said?

Exactly! The thing of it is that he spoke using metaphors - as, if and when I say "I am doing 'great'" it doesn't mean I am doing 'big' things! Hence the need for intelligence to be capable of more than 'simple' literal interpretations. Of course, if you think that, "they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory" for instance really means that Jesus himself will appear in the sky and orbit the earth," that's your choicethenot mean that he will then literallyin person. People who are emotionally invested in worshiping Jesus himself as a super-magical genie kind of God will undoubtedly regard the explanation that follows as being unacceptably heretical, but assuming you are notonly makes real sense [u]if[/i] one interprets it metaphorically

[davidsun]

Deh. Were the quote [about "This my blood" etc.] to be considered in its entirety, there would be no way to make the claim. Considering half a quote (which is to say, taking it out of context), this and a host of other quotes can be wrested.

Please do present and discuss your interpretation of "the quote" in its entirety, so I may know what you are talking about.

I register the rest of your claims to understand the reality pertaining to Jesus, prophets, etc. I appreciate your sharing your contrasting views here. I obviously do not agree with them, however, as I present alternate views which I personally believe are more reality-oriented.

[davidsun]

there'd be no money in that.

You seem to be implying that people who think differently than you do are 'in it' for the 'money'? What if they aren't ? I certainly am not! Have you considered the implications of that?

[davidsun]

You reply to "This may seem radical, but what if Jesus meant exactly what He said?" Sparko, to wit:

unpossible!! He has to have secret meanings that only the specially blessed can understand!!! That way they can know they are the chosen ones and God likes them better than everyone else. duh.

[davidsun]

Thanking everyone for their responses, and picking up at the bottom of and continuing the text of my treatise (from post #8):

thetotalitypresently, I submit, those who mostmuch more likelyholisticHolistically co-relative insofarselfishness. This applies, to one degree or another, to everyholistic really have nothing more to learn and developmentally accomplish by way of incarnating as a personal-selfexceptionalothersmust eitherselfish instincts and becoming more integrally related to others or spiritually regress and possibly even disintegrate (i.e.

[Sparko]

so you are saying that you are twisting the words of Jesus to catch more birds?

[davidsun]

so you are saying that you are twisting the words of Jesus to catch more birds?

No. Following the parable in question, I said: "(Note: even this parablemy interpretation (and claiming it to be no more and no less) of the words of Jesus as presented in the King James translation. Methinks, the notion that I am 'twisting' them is your ('twisted'? ) idea.

[Sparko]

No. Following the parable in question, I said: "(Note: even this parablemy interpretation (and claiming it to be no more and no less) of the words of Jesus as presented in the King James translation. Methinks, the notion that I am 'twisting' them is your ('twisted'? )

idea.

oh. so you are saying that JESUS was the bird catcher who was tricking people then?

[Sparko]

Thanking everyone for their responses, and picking up at the bottom of and continuing the text of my treatise (from post #8):

thetotalitypresently, I submit, those who mostmuch more likelyholisticHolistically co-relative insofarselfishness. This applies, to one degree or another, to everyholistic really have nothing more to learn and developmentally accomplish by way of incarnating as a personal-selfexceptionalothersmust eitherselfish instincts and becoming more integrally related to others or spiritually regress and possibly even disintegrate (i.e.

Oh! So you are ? Why didn't you just say so?

You fit right in.

[davidsun]

oh. so you are saying that JESUS was the bird catcher who was tricking people then?

No. The people who interpret his teachings literally, without really undertstanding them, are the 'parrots' - who enlist more 'parrots' and catch and exploit even 'dumber' 'birds' with their help - are the ones doing that 'tricking'. In my book, Godspeak 2000 (available as a free download from my website), I referenced the same kind of phenomenon in relation to astrology/astrologers

[Sparko]

No. The people who interpret his teachings literally, without really undertstanding them, are the 'parrots' - who enlist more 'parrots' and catch and exploit even 'dumber' 'birds' with their help - are the ones doing that 'tricking'. In my book, Godspeak 2000 (available as a free download from my website), I referenced the same kind of phenomenon in relation to astrology/astrologers

Nobody thinks Jesus was speaking literally when he was telling parables. But his meaning was pretty clear, not some esoteric nonsense that took 2000 years until someone like you to come along and figure it out. You are not that special Dave. You are nuts.

Let's discuss one and see. Bring forth a parable of Jesus that you claim you know what he was really saying and let's see. Post the parable and your interpretation.

[davidsun]

Nobody thinks Jesus was speaking literally when he was telling parables. But his meaning was pretty clear, not some esoteric nonsense that took 2000 years until someone like you to come along and figure it out. You are not that special Dave. You are nuts.

Let's discuss one and see. Bring forth a parable of Jesus that you claim you know what he was really saying and let's see. Post the parable and your interpretation.

Yes, I agree that there have been a fair number of folks who have IMO 'correctly' (metaphorically) interpreted and understood) what he meant to communicate by way of his parabolic' sayings, including his speaking of 'God' as being 'his' Father. I don't think I am 'special' in this regard. But relatively few (as far as I know) have attempted to 'set 'the record' straight, so to speak, by speaking of and to 'followers' who accept and buy into 'narrow-minded' 'self-serving' (letter of 'the word', instead of spirit of 'the word') interpretations thereof, just as there are relatively few 'Muslims' who expose and stand up to 'narrow-minded' 'self-serving' interpretations of the thangs Mohammad said - the same being true in my opinion 'in' every 'group' (category) of people in the world, I think - presumably because it suited them to not do so, the result being that people hewing to 'narrow-minded' 'self-serving' interpretations have been 'allowed' to spew and do dastardly 'stuff' to others (in particular) and humanity and our world (in general), in my opinion. Stay tuned for more of my 'metaphorical' interpretations - lets both 'see' if you do or don't acknowledge their validity, shall we?

Repeating the last couple of paragraphs of the prior excerpt as shared in post #20 (for context) and continuing on from there:

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[Bill the Cat]

[Sparko]

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More to come

no 'more to come.' This isn't your blog site. This is a discussion site.

Either discuss or leave.

Now present a parable, then give us your interpretation. We can discuss. Don't just keep spamming your book. We unfortunately had to end up banning another member who would not obey the rules and kept spamming his blog.

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