Poll on what Acts 2:38 was intended to mean

[Jedidiah]

I always find it amazing that after all the New Testament has to say folks always want to nit pick something into requiring some sort of ritual to be saved. What does this accomplish? It puts temporal power in the hands of those administering the ritual. Noting else.

[Sparko]

I always find it amazing that after all the New Testament has to say folks always want to nit pick something into requiring some sort of ritual to be saved. What does this accomplish? It puts temporal power in the hands of those administering the ritual. Noting else.

Yep, after many verses saying just believe, some people will ignore all that and focus on one or two verses that COULD mean works are needed. Context means nothing. It's as if they WANT to make it hard to be saved.

If they want to "work" for their salvation then Jesus has this to say about what "work" is needed:

John 6:28 Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”
29 Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

Can't get any clearer than that.

[RBerman]

Sparko is correct. The eis is causative in this verse, as in "repent; be baptised because of the remission of your sins." The physical rite is not a magic action which causes one to be forgiven, but rather a sign that one has entered the church, the company of the forgiven.

[Cow Poke]

Sparko is correct. The eis is causative in this verse, as in "repent; be baptised because of the remission of your sins." The physical rite is not a magic action which causes one to be forgiven, but rather a sign that one has entered the church, the company of the forgiven.

I agree with everything you said except the "Sparko is correct" part.

[Sparko]

I agree with everything you said except the "Sparko is correct" part.

I keep telling people that I am always right, even when I am wrong. But nobody believes me.

[Cerebrum123]

I agree with everything you said except the "Sparko is correct" part.

Yeah, that's because he is under the bus, nobody under the bus is allowed to be right, just like Brigham Young(even though I showed that D&C agrees with him, he was still left under the bus).

[Cow Poke]

I keep telling people that I am always right, even when I am wrong. But nobody believes me.

What's that black stuff on your face and shirt? Have you been under the bus AGAIN?

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[Sparko]

What's that black stuff on your face and shirt? Have you been under the bus AGAIN?

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[eudyptes]

I keep telling people that I am always right, even when I am wrong. But nobody believes me.

emphasis mine

I'd believe you about that....'cept it'd probably crash the server

[Jedidiah]

I agree with everything you said except the "Sparko is correct" part.

Is there not some sort of saying about broken clocks?

[One Bad Pig]

Sparko is correct. The eis is causative in this verse, as in "repent; be baptised because of the remission of your sins."

Acts 2:38 YLT

and Peter said unto them, `Reform, and be baptized each of you on the name of Jesus Christ, to remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit,

Wycliffe

And Peter said to them, Do ye penance [Penance, he said, do ye], and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, into remission of your sins; and ye shall take the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Worldwide English

`Stop your wrong ways and turn back to God,' answered Peter. `And then everyone of you can be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ. Your wrong ways will be forgiven you, and you will receive the Holy Spirit.

NIV

Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

NLT

Peter replied, “Each of you must repent of your sins and turn to God, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

New Life Translation

Peter said to them, “Be sorry for your sins and turn from them and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, and your sins will be forgiven. You will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

NKJV

Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

NCV

Peter said to them, "Change your hearts and lives and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

NASB

Peter said to them, “ Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Mounce Reverse-Interlinear NT

And Peter said to them, “Repent and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The Message

Peter said, "Change your life. Turn to God and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, so your sins are forgiven. Receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Lexham English Bible

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

KJV

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

JB Phillips NT

Peter told them, “You must repent and every one of you must be baptised in the name of Jesus Christ, so that you may have your sins forgiven and receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

HCSB

“Repent,” Peter said to them, “and be baptized, each of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

GNT

Peter said to them, Each one of you must turn away from your sins and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven; and you will receive God's gift, the Holy Spirit.

ESV

And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Douay-Rheims

But Peter said to them: Do penance, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ, for the remission of your sins: and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Darby

And Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptised, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ, for remission of sins, and ye will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

CEV

Peter said, “Turn back to God! Be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ, so that your sins will be forgiven. Then you will be given the Holy Spirit.

Complete Jewish Bible

Kefa answered them, “Turn from sin, return to God, and each of you be immersed on the authority of Yeshua the Messiah into forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Ruach HaKodesh!

CEB

Peter replied, “Change your hearts and lives. Each of you must be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. Then you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

Amplified

And Peter answered them, Repent (change your views and purpose to accept the will of God in your inner selves instead of rejecting it) and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of and release from your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

NRSV

Peter said to them, "Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

NET

Peter said to them, "Repent, and each one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

The NET has a note: "There is debate over the meaning of eis. . . . Although a causal sense has been argued, it is difficult to maintain here."

Indeed, every single translation I could find that did not translate eis as "for" moved away from the causal sense. I suspect that, due to being uncomfortable with the implication of baptism as a "work," you are reading your own interpretation into the text.

The physical rite is not a magic action which causes one to be forgiven, but rather a sign that one has entered the church, the company of the forgiven.

It is neither a magic action nor a mere sign. It is a spiritual act involving both God and baptizand (which is why it cannot be done by proxy) which confers remission of sins (and prepares one for entrance into the Church). Through it we die to our old self and are raised up to walk in newness of life.

[Sparko]

So if you don't get baptized then you don't get remission of your sins?

[nrajeff]

Since I find this poll an exercise in futility,

Why do you feel that it would be futile to try to find out how many posters agree with Sparko's version of what the verse means? It's not that hard to type a "yes" or a "no" or am I wrong about that?

I will not be voting

Because you disagree with Sparko's interpretation and you don't want anyone to know?

but I would like to know what you would do if the majority of people agreed with the "anti's"?

I would wonder by what reasoning they were dismissing what the Bible makes plain. I would probably ask them that.

[nrajeff]

Sparko is correct. The eis is causative in this verse, as in "repent; be baptised because of the remission of your sins." The physical rite is not a magic action which causes one to be forgiven, but rather a sign that one has entered the church, the company of the forgiven.

Citations exist to back your opinion up?

[nrajeff]

And....

Scripture Verse:

(Rom 10:9 KJV) That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
(John 3:17 KJV) For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
(Acts 2:21 KJV) And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
(Acts 4:12 KJV) Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.
(Acts 15:11 KJV) But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
(Rom 10:13 KJV) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

Thanks to OBP, Jedidiah and Cow Poke for the additional verses that support the FUTURE event that WILL occur IF something is done FIRST.

So is that 3 more "no" votes?