Poll on what Acts 2:38 was intended to mean

[Sparko]

Jeff needs a hug.

[nrajeff]

Jeff needs a hug.

Nope, just answers.

[Cow Poke]

Thanks to OBP, Jedidiah and Cow Poke for the additional verses that support the FUTURE event that WILL occur IF something is done FIRST.

So is that 3 more "no" votes?

Why am I not surprised you take this dishonest approach, Jeff?

[Sparko]

Nope, just answers.

we gave them. You still need a hug.

[One Bad Pig]

So if you don't get baptized then you don't get remission of your sins?

Incorrect. If you repent, but die before you have the opportunity to get baptized, then God in His grace will remit your sins based on your intention to follow His commands. If you reject the opportunity, then IMO your sins probably won't be remitted - but that's for God to decide, not me. All I know is that we are commanded to be baptized, and a true follower of Christ will follow His commands.

[One Bad Pig]

Thanks to OBP, Jedidiah and Cow Poke for the additional verses that support the FUTURE event that WILL occur IF something is done FIRST.

So is that 3 more "no" votes?

Careful - remission of sins is dependent on the willingness and repentance of the baptizand. As I said earlier, baptism is not a magic act.

[Sparko]

Incorrect. If you repent, but die before you have the opportunity to get baptized, then God in His grace will remit your sins based on your intention to follow His commands. If you reject the opportunity, then IMO your sins probably won't be remitted - but that's for God to decide, not me. All I know is that we are commanded to be baptized, and a true follower of Christ will follow His commands.

So if you don't believe you don't get saved, but if you don't get baptized you can still get saved.

Logically then salvation is not contingent on being baptized.

[One Bad Pig]

So if you don't believe you don't get saved, but if you don't get baptized you can still get saved.

Logically then salvation is not contingent on being baptized.

Right. Salvation is contingent on faith and obedience.

[Sparko]

Right. Salvation is contingent on faith and obedience.

well I sort of agree with that. I think that if you willfully refuse to be baptized then you are basically saying that you are not obedient and your faith is probably just lip service.

You can have faith and not be baptized and be saved.
But you can't be baptized and not have faith and be saved.

So being saved is actually only contingent on faith.

[nrajeff]

Careful - remission of sins is dependent on the willingness and repentance of the baptizand. As I said earlier, baptism is not a magic act.

Of course you are correct about that--at least LDS doctrine agrees with what you said. Which may mean it's heretical false doctrine to some Evangelicals, since the LDS believe it.

[nrajeff]

Why am I not surprised you take this dishonest approach, Jeff?

Such drama! And invective. Why would you accuse me like that? One would hope that you might be willing to engage in a civil discussion, given half a chance. But civil discussion requires that you list evidence that supports your accusations....in a civil manner.

You up for that? Or did I catch you at a bad time?

[Cerebrum123]

Such drama! And invective. Why would you accuse me like that? One would hope that you might be willing to engage in a civil discussion, given half a chance. But civil discussion requires that you list evidence that supports your accusations....in a civil manner.

You up for that? Or did I catch you at a bad time?

And you wonder why they are calling you a drama queen?

[Cow Poke]

Such drama! And invective.

Yeah, sure. I asked a question, Jeff. No drama.

Why would you accuse me like that?

Because you said....

Thanks to OBP, Jedidiah and Cow Poke for the additional verses that support the FUTURE event that WILL occur IF something is done FIRST.
So is that 3 more "no" votes?

This is a silly game where you pretend we agreed with or substantiated something you said. It's disingenuous at the very least.

One would hope that you might be willing to engage in a civil discussion, given half a chance.

So don't play games.

But civil discussion requires that you list evidence that supports your accusations....in a civil manner.

Civil discussion would be much more likely if you weren't misrepresenting what was said, twisting it for your own benefit.

You up for that?

You up for being HONEST, and stopping the silly misrepresentation nonsense?

Or did I catch you at a bad time?

Not hardly.

[nrajeff]

And you wonder why they are calling you a drama queen?

What makes you assume that I wonder that?

[Sparko]

wow Jeff, you even derail your OWN threads.