Infants & Imputed Guilt

[KingsGambit]

The basis is to be found in the rise of safe abortions to my mind...and guilt.

Peace, Ted

Can you explain what you mean by this? I was talking about the scriptural basis for such a position.

[technomage]

You are so close to traditional Christianity in many respects, but it looks very much as though you have approached the Bible as a smorgasbord ... take a little doctrine here, a bit of teaching there, add in whatever ideas you came up with on your own. I suppose that's OK, if that's where you truly wish to be ... but according to the Bible, Jesus has some very nasty things to say about smorgasbord Christians, who are neither hot for his teachings, or cold to his commands. I believe the exact quote is "Because you are neither hot nor cold, I will spew you out of my mouth."

Yes, in case you were wondering, my earlier post was tongue-in-cheek.

My advice to you? Either get your head out of your rear end and get back to a regular Christian church, or go be a non-Christian. Straddling the fence as you are currently doing only leads to splinters in very uncomfortable places.

[KingsGambit]

You are so close to traditional Christianity in many respects, but it looks very much as though you have approached the Bible as a smorgasbord ... take a little doctrine here, a bit of teaching there, add in whatever ideas you came up with on your own. I suppose that's OK, if that's where you truly wish to be ... but according to the Bible, Jesus has some very nasty things to say about smorgasbord Christians, who are neither hot for his teachings, or cold to his commands. I believe the exact quote is "Because you are neither hot nor cold, I will spew you out of my mouth."

Yes, in case you were wondering, my earlier post was tongue-in-cheek.

My advice to you? Either get your head out of your rear end and get back to a regular Christian church, or go be a non-Christian. Straddling the fence as you are currently doing only leads to splinters in very uncomfortable places.

In my view, Jesus's invective to the church at Laodicea doesn't seem to relate specifically to doctrinal issues but rather to zeal/dedication to their faith.

[technomage]

In my view, Jesus's invective to the church at Laodicea doesn't seem to relate specifically to doctrinal issues but rather to zeal/dedication to their faith.

If the shoe fits, perhaps one should wear it, regardless of whether or not it matches one's views.

[ttruscott]

One of the problems hidden in the interpretation of innocent children going to heaven is that innocence is not the criteria for entry into the kingdom but only righteousness.

Matthew 5:20 "For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven."

The Scriptures make it plain that the only source of Righteousness is Jesus Christ. “For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness.” Rom. 4:3.


Can a baby believe? Can a baby have faith?

Rom. 10:8-11 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. 11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.”

...So, there it is, my faith based interpretation of scripture, ahem.

Peace, Ted

[technomage]

...So, there it is, my faith based interpretation of scripture, ahem.

Nice plate you've picked from the smorgasbord.

[ttruscott]

Nice plate you've picked from the smorgasbord.

Previous quote:

You are so close to traditional Christianity in many respects, but it looks very much as though you have approached the Bible as a smorgasbord ... take a little doctrine here, a bit of teaching there, add in whatever ideas you came up with on your own. I suppose that's OK, if that's where you truly wish to be ... but according to the Bible, Jesus has some very nasty things to say about smorgasbord Christians,

It looks like this to you does it? And that gives you reason and authority to lay trips on me rather than deal with the theology from a religion you disbelieve?

Off the table fancy dancer, I won't listen no more.

You think you know my theology from one or two paragraphs from a complete and systematic theology of Christianity containing new revelations of doctrine you have never considered before??

Get behind me and stay out of my topic, thanks,

Peace, Ted

[technomage]

It looks like this to you does it?

I admire logical consistency.

And that gives you reason and authority to lay trips on me rather than deal with the theology from a religion you disbelieve?

Even to this non-Christian, the inconsistencies in your logic are glaring. One does not have to practice a religion to have understanding of it.

Off the table fancy dancer, I won't listen no more.

You would have to have started listening at some point to listen more now.

You think you know my theology[

I know enough of your theology to know that calling yourself a Christian is inaccurate. Your views are certainly influenced by Christianity, but you do not fall within that category.

I hold absolutely no moral condemnation to you for choosing to believe as you do--do not for one moment feel that I am calling you "wrong," for neither you nor I have that knowledge. However, if you are going to use the Bible to support your points, logic suggests that you should use the entirety, not simply the parts you like.

Get behind me and stay out of my topic, thanks,

As you will, Ted. Peace.

[Whag]

Tru, I don't believe all babies are automatically in heaven. That is not a universal Christian belief. All elect babies are. That doesn't mean all babies are elect.

Where do the unelect babies go?

[ttruscott]

Where do the unelect babies go?

They go back to sheol and wait for their resurection to the lake of fire:
Matthew 25:46 And these will depart into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

Matthew 13:41,50 The Son of Man will send his angels, and they will gather from his kingdom everything that causes sin as well as all lawbreakers. 50 and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Remember, demons can be born as human babies:
(1) Hell was designed for Satan and his demons (Matthew 25:41; Revelation 20:10), also called, "the devil and his angels."
yet
(2) Hell will also punish the sin of those who reject Christ (Matthew 13:41,50; Revelation 20:11-15; 21:8) who are people on earth, so thereby equating them with the demons...

Remember, Pre-Conception Existence Theology says we are all older than the physical universe AND the non-elect have been practicing enemies of the Church as demons and devils almost that long...on earth, only their bodies are new.

Jeremiah 1:5 - Before I formed thee in the belly, I knew thee.

If the Scripture said, I knew thee when you were a little child, we would say that Jeremiah existed at that time. If it said, I knew thee when you were in the womb, we would interpret it as saying that Jeremiah existed at that time. Why then, when the time moves back before the womb, does "I know thee" mean something else, to wit: “I knew about thee"?

John 9:2 - And His disciples asked Him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

From this verse, it becomes blatantly obvious that the disciples believed that this blind man could have sinned sometime before his birth and that, as a chastisement for that sin, he was born blind.

Peace, Ted