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    And now feminism has ruined Doctor Who with the BBC's recent announcement that the next Doctor will be a female.

    Why does political correctness have to ruin everything?
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

  • #2
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    And now feminism has ruined Doctor Who with the BBC's recent announcement that the next Doctor will be a female.

    Why does political correctness have to ruin everything?
    TBH, I don't care if the Doctor is a woman. It's a tv show.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      TBH, I don't care if the Doctor is a woman. It's a tv show.
      I care because it's an iconic male character, and arbitrarily making him a woman is a reflection of our perverse culture.
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      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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      • #4
        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
        I care because it's an iconic male character, and arbitrarily making him a woman is a reflection of our perverse culture.
        They did it with The Master, and people have been asking for it to happen to The Doctor since. I think it was a dumb idea for both characters.

        ETA: If it was a reboot, or an alternate universe or something I wouldn't care. This is different IMO.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
          They did it with The Master, and people have been asking for it to happen to The Doctor since. I think it was a dumb idea for both characters.

          ETA: If it was a reboot, or an alternate universe or something I wouldn't care. This is different IMO.
          The Master/Missy thing was left ambiguous, so it didn't really bother (I just assumed he transferred his consciousness to another body).
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          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            The Master/Missy thing was left ambiguous, so it didn't really bother (I just assumed he transferred his consciousness to another body).
            I thought I saw someone say he just did it as part of regeneration. I haven't watched the show in forever. Last time I consistently watched the show was when Matt Slick was The Doctor.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              And now feminism has ruined Doctor Who with the BBC's recent announcement that the next Doctor will be a female.

              Why does political correctness have to ruin everything?
              Was worth it for the Daily Mail reader reaction alone.

              The actress in question has been pretty good in everything she's been in recently, so I'm sure she'll do a great job. There's always some moaning when a new doctor is announced (though I'm saying this an an onlooker)

              If they were going for ultra PC though I think they could have done better than a white woman?

              Funny how some sci-fi fans will readily accept opening their minds to new planets, timelines, aliens, regenerations and possibilities.... but not a woman stepping into a telephone box.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                I thought I saw someone say he just did it as part of regeneration. I haven't watched the show in forever. Last time I consistently watched the show was when Matt Slick was The Doctor.
                "It's the DOCTOR, not the NURSE!"

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                  Was worth it for the Daily Mail reader reaction alone.

                  The actress in question has been pretty good in everything she's been in recently, so I'm sure she'll do a great job. There's always some moaning when a new doctor is announced (though I'm saying this an an onlooker)

                  If they were going for ultra PC though I think they could have done better than a white woman?

                  Funny how some sci-fi fans will readily accept opening their minds to new planets, timelines, aliens, regenerations and possibilities.... but not a woman stepping into a telephone box.
                  This last season featured a black lesbian companion, so they've hit the PC quota pretty squarely on the nose already.

                  I can accept sci-fi tropes, but taking an established male character and turning him into a woman feels like a slap in the face to long-time fans. It'd be like a female James Bond, or a female Sherlock Holmes, or an all female GHOSTBUSTERS. It's pandering and unnecessary.

                  But this is taking the thread off topic, so I'm done ranting about it.
                  Last edited by Mountain Man; 07-17-2017, 06:16 PM.
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                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    This last season featured a black lesbian companion, so they've hit the PC quota pretty squarely on the nose already.
                    You obviously underestimate how low they can go. I'm waiting for the inevitable Southeast Asian transexual and the, um, "boy and his dog."

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      This last season featured a black lesbian companion, so they've hit the PC quota pretty squarely on the nose already.
                      Serious question: Do you think that having a variety of demographics represented on TV in approximate reflection to their actual levels of prevalence in the population is "PC" or "accurately reflecting reality"?

                      Historically, minority demographics have been overwhelmingly underrepresented on TV and in movies. Recently there has been an emphasis on fixing that, and having the portrayals be more representative of reality. Various analyses have now found that they are beginning to get fairly close to having an accurate level of representation of minority groups. Is that bad?
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Serious question: Do you think that having a variety of demographics represented on TV in approximate reflection to their actual levels of prevalence in the population is "PC" or "accurately reflecting reality"?

                        Historically, minority demographics have been overwhelmingly underrepresented on TV and in movies. Recently there has been an emphasis on fixing that, and having the portrayals be more representative of reality. Various analyses have now found that they are beginning to get fairly close to having an accurate level of representation of minority groups. Is that bad?


                        Yes, when minority group members are inserted into a story for reasons of political correctness, 'diversity' and so on, it is bad. If they are there because they are part of the actual story, then it's fine.

                        So:

                        Robin Hood with a side character who is an Arab, being someone who Robin met and befriended on his travels in the Crusade: fine (great, even)

                        Robin Hood with three of his 'merry men' being lesbian ninja nuns who can outfight any of the men in the outlaw band: PC rubbish


                        Replacing an iconic or longstanding character with someone of the opposite sex (or sometimes of a different race) doesn't sit well with me, either. So Marvel's 'Thor' being a woman - No. (Same for Thor = space horse as well). Thor is a Norse male god - to me that's integral to the actual nature of the character. There are female characters (Sif, Valkyrie) for those that want that.

                        Spiderman to me is a slightly nerdy white 'New Yorker', so I'm not keen on the Miles Morales 'version'. Luke Cage is a black man - would anyone be OK with Luke Cage being remade with a beefy redneck or hillbilly in the role?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                          Yes, when minority group members are inserted into a story for reasons of political correctness, 'diversity' and so on, it is bad.
                          If minority groups accurately observe that they are underrepresented on TV and in movies relative to their actual demographics in the population today, is them asking for more accurate representation unreasonable in your mind?

                          Robin Hood with a side character who is an Arab, being someone who Robin met and befriended on his travels in the Crusade: fine (great, even)

                          Robin Hood with three of his 'merry men' being lesbian ninja nuns who can outfight any of the men in the outlaw band: PC rubbish
                          Obviously actual historical stories change what is and isn't demographically reasonable in those settings. The vast majority of TV/movies are not historical stories that are limiting in this way though.

                          Replacing an iconic or longstanding character with someone of the opposite sex (or sometimes of a different race) doesn't sit well with me, either.
                          I kind of agree, although I don't have a problem with retellings or reimaginings of a story.

                          So Marvel's 'Thor' being a woman - No.
                          Sure, I can agree to that. Though making him black would seem okay to me... since he's an alien his skin color is hardly part of his character - same with superman.

                          Speaking of Marvel's Avengers in their recent series of movies, I note that none of them seem to be gay or bi. Would it be unreasonable in your mind to have one of them be gay or bi? D.C.'s Constantine was bisexual in the comic books, very much so, but they cut that part out when they made the movies. Is that the kind of "changing the established character" that you object to? Or does it not apply when it plays into your own biases?

                          Luke Cage is a black man - would anyone be OK with Luke Cage being remade with a beefy redneck or hillbilly in the role?
                          I was unfamiliar with Luke Cage prior to watching the TV series. I wouldn't care one iota if they made another Luke Cage series where he was white.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                            Yes, when minority group members are inserted into a story for reasons of political correctness, 'diversity' and so on, it is bad. If they are there because they are part of the actual story, then it's fine.

                            So:

                            Robin Hood with a side character who is an Arab, being someone who Robin met and befriended on his travels in the Crusade: fine (great, even)

                            Robin Hood with three of his 'merry men' being lesbian ninja nuns who can outfight any of the men in the outlaw band: PC rubbish


                            Replacing an iconic or longstanding character with someone of the opposite sex (or sometimes of a different race) doesn't sit well with me, either. So Marvel's 'Thor' being a woman - No. (Same for Thor = space horse as well).
                            Beta-Ray Bill, IIRC. Thank Odin I'd quit reading comics before that travesty.


                            Thor is a Norse male god - to me that's integral to the actual nature of the character. There are female characters (Sif, Valkyrie) for those that want that.
                            Much as I like Idris Elba, I hate him as Heimdall. A black Norseman? Oooo-kay.

                            Spiderman to me is a slightly nerdy white 'New Yorker', so I'm not keen on the Miles Morales 'version'. Luke Cage is a black man - would anyone be OK with Luke Cage being remade with a beefy redneck or hillbilly in the role?
                            Didn't Nicolas Coppola choose his "Nicholas Cage" stage name after the Luke Cage character?
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                            • #15
                              I wouldn't like a white T'challa or a Shang-Chi that looked like Danny Rand. I'm not thrilled that they turned Alan Scott gay. I prefer they introduce *new* characters, not drastically "reimagine" existing ones.
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