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    How about an a-trib?

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    I was pre-trib when I got here. I read a book on pre-wrath, and was wholly unimpressed. I looked into Preterism, but just couldn't process today's cesspool with the Millennial Reign of Christ. I see things like God taking His faithful out after sending messengers to get them and preach repentance, but other verses, like Rev 20 1-5 seem to discount mid-trib. Like Sparko, I'm pan-Trib Pre-millennial.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post
    How about an a-trib?
    That comes last...I assume you mean amillennial?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    I was pre-trib when I got here. I read a book on pre-wrath, and was wholly unimpressed. I looked into Preterism, but just couldn't process today's cesspool with the Millennial Reign of Christ.
    That's why I'm a-mill rather than post-mill.

    I had already rejected pre-trib when I got here, after reading a book promoting pre-trib over mid- and post-trib and coming away wholly unimpressed; I had been raised pre-trib, but never been exposed to other POV before that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    That comes last...I assume you mean amillennial?
    No, I mean I don't believe in a future 7-year great tribulation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post
    No, I mean I don't believe in a future 7-year great tribulation.
    You or OBP can correct me but, I think that is amillenialism. They do not believe in a literal 1000 year reign, and that we are now in the "millennia"...therefore there would not be a future 7 year Tribulation. Most Preterists also do not believe in a future 7 year tribulation...they would say that Israel A.D. 66 - A.D. 73 was the Tribulation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    I was under the impression that Post-trib and pre-wrath were a bit mutually exclusive? As most scholars have the 2nd half of the Trib as the Wrath of God period. How is this different than Mid trib?
    As a post-trib, I have always held the view that the wrath of God would be after the rapture. (I came from the pre-trib viewpoint).


    Pre-trib view assumes the wrath of God to be the tribulation. And the promise, "And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come." -- 1 Thessalonians 1:10 and "For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ, . . ." -- 1 Thessalonians 5:9, as definitive proof texts for the pre-trib rapture view.

    In the Book of Revelation, God's wrath is first mentioned at the end of the sixth seal, "For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?" -- Revelation 6:17. That wrath is also mentioned at the end of the 7 trumpets 11:18. And again at the end of the 7th bowel being poured out 16:18. And corresponds to events referenced in 19:15 and 14:19. As sets of sequential, yet parallel simultaneous events.

    And the signs in the Sun and Moon to precede Christ's appearing in 6:12 is called signs of "before that great and notable day of the Lord come: . . ." -- Acts 2:20. Jesus said this would happen "Immediately after the tribulation of those days . . ." -- Matthew 24:29.

    And the trumpet sound at Christ's appearing, Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16, the Apostle Paul calls the last trumpet, 1 Corinthians 15:52.

    So those who believed in Him as He promised, He will raised them in time called last day, John 6:39, 44.

    Just a short over view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Littlejoe View Post
    You or OBP can correct me but, I think that is amillenialism. They do not believe in a literal 1000 year reign, and that we are now in the "millennia"...therefore there would not be a future 7 year Tribulation. Most Preterists also do not believe in a future 7 year tribulation...they would say that Israel A.D. 66 - A.D. 73 was the Tribulation.
    The Millennium has been confusing to me for a long time. It's from a book that seems to be almost entirely symbolic, but what is it symbolic of? The Bible speaks of an eternal kingdom with a descendant of David as king, which I understand to be Jesus, but not limited to a thousand years. Revelation 20:2 speaks of binding the dragon/devil/Satan for a thousand years, and I understand the devil to be symbolic of the Roman Empire. The souls of those beheaded come to life, but the rest of the dead aren't resurrected until after a thousand years. But the Western Roman Empire was destroyed more than 1,500 years ago and counting. And then Satan/Rome shall be released? That I don't understand, but I'm not ready to kick out the Millennium altogether. I just don't make sense of it.

    As for the seven years, I take that to mean 171 BC to 164 BC, beginning with the murder of Onias III, the high priest. In the midst of the seven years Antiochus IV desecrated the temple, put a stop to the sacrifices. His firm covenant with many, including an infidel high priest was to indoctrinate the Jews into heathen worship,. When it didn't work, he would force them to eat pig and forbid circumcision or Sabbath worship, etc. Until Judas Maccabeus came to the rescue.

    The 12 months/1260 days of Revelation I understand to be the Jewish War, from around April AD 67 with the invasion of Gadara to the destruction of the temple and the city and the end of fighting on September 2, AD 70.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Faber View Post
    The Millennium has been confusing to me for a long time. It's from a book that seems to be almost entirely symbolic, but what is it symbolic of? The Bible speaks of an eternal kingdom with a descendant of David as king, which I understand to be Jesus, but not limited to a thousand years. Revelation 20:2 speaks of binding the dragon/devil/Satan for a thousand years, and I understand the devil to be symbolic of the Roman Empire. The souls of those beheaded come to life, but the rest of the dead aren't resurrected until after a thousand years. But the Western Roman Empire was destroyed more than 1,500 years ago and counting. And then Satan/Rome shall be released? That I don't understand, but I'm not ready to kick out the Millennium altogether. I just don't make sense of it.
    Just commenting. It seems you take the Revelation to be interpreted historically. Your comments (not quoted here) on the tribulation, would required a discussion of how you make the connection between those events you cite with the symbolism you refer to in the book. Which would be a whole topic in and of itself.

    The Millennium in the pre-millennium view is taken to be the last 1000 years between the second coming of Christ and the Judgment before the New Heaven and Earth are created. Just that simply. So you might point out the difficulty that you see. The everlasting throng of David would have to be in the New Heaven and Earth. The Revelation is silant on this.
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