Jehovah is not gods name, the nonsense of Jehovah Witnesses

[Alan McDougall]

The name Jehovah is not Gods name the term Jehovah was coined by a Catholic sometime in the 13th Century and its source is Latin not Hebrew .Just think of this comparison, would you call your father or president or national leader by their first names? Of course not, most call their Father Dad, not Jim , John or Bob etc, and most definitly no one in their right mind would in the presence of president Obama would say, hey!! Barrack! No!! you would respect him and his high office and say MR. PRESISIDENT would you not?

But these Jehovah Witnesses want us to address the "SUPREME BEING" by his first supposed name, Hey Jehovah howsit!!

The reality God is the respectful title and I use God because there is only one Creator God. The inexpressible, unpronounceable name of the ever existing one YHWH




Questions for JW to answer rationally and truthfully below!!

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30 Questions for JW??


Resurrection of Jesus

If Jesus was resurrected as an invisible spirit, like the Watchtower teaches, why did Jesus say he was going to raise his physical body from the dead (John 2:19-22)?

If Jesus, the man, ceased to exist at his death and was raised from the dead as Michael the Archangel, why did Michael deceive the apostles into believing that they were witnessing Jesus in a resurrected physical body (Luke 24:39)?

If Jesus is now living in heaven as an invisible spirit creature, like the Watchtower teaches, why did Paul write many years after the ascension of Christ that he is dwelling in heaven in a physical body (Colossians 2:9)? Note: The Greek word, somatikos, means physical, tangible body.

If Jesus is now Michael the Archangel, why does 1 Timothy 2:5 say that the mediator between God and men is the man, Christ Jesus, and not the spirit, Michael the Archangel?

Can you show me a verse in the bible that clearly says Jesus is the Archangel Michael? How can Jesus be Michael since Hebrews chapter 1 stresses the superiority of Jesus over the angels and that all the angels worship him? Why would Jehovah command that the entire angelic realm worship another angel? Note: The Watchtower bible changes the word worship, in Hebrews 1:6, to “do obeisance to”. However, see section below on the New World Translation.

The Watchtower Society

Since the Watchtower was wrong in the past about many of its teachings and the light continues to get brighter (Proverbs 4:18), how do you know that the current teachings are correct and won’t change?

Why did the Watchtower magazine (Nov 15, 1981, p. 21) say to “come to Jehovah’s organization for salvation” when Jesus never directed us to an organization for salvation but to him?

When you joined the Jehovah’s Witnesses, did you read information for and against the Watchtower so you could make an educated and well rounded decision based on both points of view?

Has anyone become a Jehovah’s Witness after reading the bible alone without the aid of Watchtower material?

If I were to join the Jehovah’s Witnesses, would it be okay for me to do research into the Watchtower’s past by reading non-Watchtower material?

Since the Watchtower was in error many times in the past, are you obligated to believe that all the current teachings are God’s truth?

False Prophecies

If Jesus’ invisible presence began in 1914, like the Watchtower teaches, why was the Watchtower teaching in 1929 that Jesus’ invisible presence began in 1874? How did they finally figure out that that teaching was false? Reference: Prophecy, 1929, p. 65.

Since the Watchtower claims to be God’s prophet (The Watchtower, April 1, 1972, p. 197) and have falsely predicted Armageddon to occur in 1914, 1918, 1925 and 1975, do you think they meet the criteria of Deuteronomy 18:20-22?

Can you show me in the bible where it says to give false prophets a second or third chance to get it right?

If the Watchtower really is Jehovah’s prophet, like they claim, can you show me anything they predicted that came to pass?

The New World Translation

Why did Hebrews 1:6 in the 1970 version of the New World Translation say, “Let all God’s angels worship him” and not “do obeisance to him” like the new versions say?

Why does the New World Translation insert the word “other” four times into Colossians chapter 1 when it isn’t in the Greek manuscripts at all? Doesn’t this change the meaning of the text?

Why does the New World Translation place the comma in Luke 23:43 in a different location than it does every other time when Jesus says, “Truly I tell you”?

Can you show me a list of Greek scholars who approve of the New World Translation’s New Testament translation?

Can you show me a list of the people who were on the New World Translation Committee along with their credentials in the ancient Biblical languages?

The 144,000

If the Watchtower’s teaching that the 144,000 were filled in 1935 is correct, can you explain how Jesus, his apostles and their immediate followers couldn’t get 144,000 converts in 1800 years, but the Watchtower got 6 million converts in 125 years?

Why does the Watchtower teach that only 144,000 people are born-again when 1 John 5:1 says that everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God?

Why is there only one judgment period from God to test the endurance and worthiness of the 144,000 before they are guaranteed of eternal life, but the other sheep have to endure through this life, the 1000 year millennium plus pass an unknown final test before they are counted worthy of eternal life? Why is salvation so much easier for the 144,000?

If Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are not part of the 144,000 with a heavenly hope, why does Jesus say in Matthew 8:11 that they will be in the kingdom of heaven?

Identity of Jesus

According to Jesus in John 17:3, how many true Gods are there? Would you say that whatever is not true is false? Doesn’t the New World Translation call Jesus “a god” in John 1:1? Since there is only one true God and all others must be false, is Jesus a true God or a false god?

If Jesus was God’s Master Worker in creation, why does Jehovah say, in Isaiah 44:24, that He created all things by Himself?

If Jesus is a created being, why does he get twice as much worship, in Revelation 5:12, as Jehovah gets in Revelation 4:11?

If Jehovah created Jesus, why does John 1:3 say that all things came into existence through Jesus and apart from him not even one thing was made? Doesn’t this place Jesus outside the realm of created things?

Miscellaneous

If everlasting life comes by taking in knowledge (John 17:3), how long do I have to study with the Jehovah’s Witnesses to be assured that I have enough knowledge to live forever? 1 year? 5 years?

If we pay for our personal sins when we die, like the Watchtower teaches, how will the great crowd who survive Armageddon pay for their sins since they will never die but go right on living into the millennium?

[Bill the Cat]

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[pancreasman]

Alan, friendly advice: It might be an idea to participate in other people's discussion threads for a while to get the lay of the land rather than come in all guns blazing. You'd earn some credibility and people might then be more inclined to listen to what you had to say.

[Alan McDougall]

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OK Moderator not my website just a link that I agree with, will keep my future posts short and too the point still learning how to how this particulat forums works I like to freely express my opinions and allow any response to blow me out of the park if they can

Sorry for that, will behave in future
Alan

[Sparko]

The name Jehovah is not Gods name the term Jehovah was coined by a Catholic sometime in the 13th Century and its source is Latin not Hebrew .Just think of this comparison, would you call your father or president or national leader by their first names? Of course not, most call their Father Dad, not Jim , John or Bob etc, and most definitly no one in their right mind would in the presence of president Obama would say, hey!! Barrack! No!! you would respect him and his high office and say MR. PRESISIDENT would you not?

But these Jehovah Witnesses want us to address the "SUPREME BEING" by his first supposed name, Hey Jehovah howsit!!

Well, that is a pretty poor argument, Alan.

What do we call the Son, who is also the Supreme Being? Jesus. His given name.

[pancreasman]

I think it's always best in arguing against any particular metaphysics to argue against the best that the other side has to offer, rather than attacking 'low end' of the spectrum.

[Alan McDougall]

Well, that is a pretty poor argument, Alan.

What do we call the Son, who is also the Supreme Being? Jesus. His given name.

Not really Jesus is the Son in the GODHEAD we should take how to addrees the Supreme Being form him , thus he always refered to the God as his Father he told us in the Lord Prayer to pray Our Father who art in heaven, elsewhere for instance he said to Peter "
Have Faith in God"

He never ever said we must call God Jehovah and he never ever used that term to refer to the Father God, which, although he is also Divine, he is the Son part of the Trinity not God the Father

[pancreasman]

Not really Jesus is the Son in the GODHEAD we should take how to addrees the Supreme Being form him , thus he always refered to the God as his Father he told us in the Lord Prayer to pray Our Father who art in heaven, elsewhere for instance he said to Peter "
Have Faith in God"

He never ever said we must call God Jehovah and he never ever used that term to refer to the Father God, which, although he is also Divine, he is the Son part of the Trinity not God the Father

Except 'God' and 'Father' are words in English. The name 'Jesus' is a transliteration Jesus' Hebrew name. If you're going to get particular about proper naming you should be using the terms Jesus used in the original language. Are you sure that's what you want to advocate?

[Sparko]

Not really Jesus is the Son in the GODHEAD we should take how to addrees the Supreme Being form him , thus he always refered to the God as his Father he told us in the Lord Prayer to pray Our Father who art in heaven, elsewhere for instance he said to Peter "
Have Faith in God"

He never ever said we must call God Jehovah and he never ever used that term to refer to the Father God, which, although he is also Divine, he is the Son part of the Trinity not God the Father

Actually he did. He used "ego eimi" "I am" which is YHWH's name to refer to HIMSELF - thus showing that he was God.

And God did tell Moses his name was YHWH. Jehovah is just an attempt at pronouncing YHWH, and the J in Jehovah was originally in German, and is pronounced as we do our "Y" and the W has a "v" sound in German - so YeHoWaH = JeHoVaH.

It is basically the name YHWH, interspersed with the vowels from Adonai (Lord)

It is still a poor argument. Jesus is God, and he deserves as much respect as the Father does, doesn't he? so why do you refer to him by his first name?

[Alan McDougall]

Actually he did. He used "ego eimi" "I am" which is YHWH's name to refer to HIMSELF - thus showing that he was God.

And God did tell Moses his name was YHWH. Jehovah is just an attempt at pronouncing YHWH, and the J in Jehovah was originally in German, and is pronounced as we do our "Y" and the W has a "v" sound in German - so YeHoWaH = JeHoVaH.

It is basically the name YHWH, interspersed with the vowels from Adonai (Lord)

It is still a poor argument. Jesus is God, and he deserves as much respect as the Father does, doesn't he? so why do you refer to him by his first name?

The Godhead or trinity are God but how else can we differentiate between the three aspects of the Most High, maybe we should say God the Son, God the Holy Spirit and God the Father when we refer to different aspects of the Godhead.

I know my argument is lacking, but I have real difficulty with the Jehovah Witnesses insistence that we must refer to God as Jehovah, even to the extent that we might not be resurrected if we deliberately refused to do it. This is a vital core of their doctrine and they sing hymns only to Jehovah saying it is wrong to worship Jesus because he is a man albeit the most important mortal man in human history.

Alan

[Sparko]

The Godhead or trinity are God but how else can we differentiate between the three aspects of the Most High, maybe we should say God the Son, God the Holy Spirit and God the Father when we refer to different aspects of the Godhead.

I know my argument is lacking, but I have real difficulty with the Jehovah Witnesses insistence that we must refer to God as Jehovah, even to the extent that we might not be resurrected if we deliberately refused to do it. This is a vital core of their doctrine and they sing hymns only to Jehovah saying it is wrong to worship Jesus because he is a man albeit the most important mortal man in human history.

Alan

Actually they think Jesus was the Arch Angel Michael who was incarnated as a man and is now basically the angel Michael again, but with a new name.

[Catholicity]

One thing about the JW's Jehovah (Latin Proper Iehovah) is the latin transliteration of YHWH, its not wrong to use Jehovah as a name of God, only wrong to discard the accurate Hebrew lettering. The real issue comes in with the JW's when they claim that Jesus was only a god and that his pre incarnate for was Michael the Archaengel. Now we have a trinity problem and a polytheistic problem

[Dee Dee Warren]

Their dogmatism that Jehovah is the proper way to render YHWH is problematic, but minor compared to their other issues. I am convinced the proper pronunciation is Yahweh, and we wouldn't know it, if God didn't tell us, so I believe we are allowed to use it properly.

[sylvius]

Actually he did. He used "ego eimi" "I am" which is YHWH's name to refer to HIMSELF - thus showing that he was God.

Ĕhyĕh is not a “name”, but a statement.

[sylvius]

Jesus is God, and he deserves as much respect as the Father does, doesn't he? so why do you refer to him by his first name?

http://nisargadatta.net/IamThat.html

Q: Is there no God apart from you?

M: How can there be? 'I am' is the root, God is the tree. Whom am I
to worship, and what for?

Q: Are you the devotee or the object of devotion?

M: Am neither, I am devotion itself.