Trailer Park Pastor's Prayer

[Cow Poke]

Odd, aren't we?

I wanna come see for myself. It's on my bucket list.

[nrajeff]

I have no idea. I know people with shotguns, not sure of their function. I'll look it up for you if you like, really it's not a huge issue here except for the extreme right wing (and I mean extreme!) We don't measure our freedom in terms of rounds per minute or potential number of people we can kill before reloading. Odd, aren't we?

You do know that the crime rate in your country has increased proportionately with the increase in your gun-control laws, right?

[pancreasman]

You do know that the crime rate in your country has increased proportionately with the increase in your gun-control laws, right?

With sales of chocolate too.

Our rate of gun deaths is amazingly below yours. This is entirely off topic and in an area I really have no interest in. You are perfectly free to go make your freedom synonymous with the ability to buy weapons. Other people feel otherwise. Feel free to have the last word, just don't shoot me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_rampage_killers

[nrajeff]

With sales of chocolate too.

Of the two, the correlation between taking away gun rights from the good guys, and increased crimes by the bad guys, has lots more statistical corroboration than the chocolate connection.

Our rate of gun deaths is amazingly below yours.

So is Japan's. It's kind of a tautology that where people don't have guns, death by gun is rare. But that deosn't mean that the bad guys, idiots, and suicidal people are too stupid to figure out alternative ways of achieving the same results. Wanna murder someone or commit armed robbery but don't have a gun? A knife works. Wanna kill yourself? Trains and tall buildings can help with that as effectively as a gun can. I would not want to be a citizen of a country where I didn't have a constitutional right to use a .38 to defend myself or my family from a psycho who has a gun or a knife and who means to use it.

This is entirely off topic and in an area I really have no interest in.

OK. You don't have to inject your comments.

You are perfectly free to go make your freedom synonymous with the ability to buy weapons.

True, I am free to agree with some of our greatest founding fathers. And I do agree with them:

"To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."
George Mason

"Americans have the right and advantage of being armed - unlike the citizens of other countries whose governments are afraid to trust the people with arms." --James Madison

"Those who hammer their guns into plowshares will plow for those who do not."
Thomas Jefferson

"A free people ought to be armed."
- George Washington

"... arms ... discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property.... Horrid mischief would ensue were (the law-abiding) deprived the use of them."
- Thomas Paine

Other people feel otherwise. Feel free to have the last word, just don't shoot me.

I only shoot the bad guys, and then only when they are a threat to my family's (or an innocent bystander's) or my safety.

For my last word, here is some info on Australia's crime rates in the wake of your famous Gun buy-back scheme. Not sure how objective it is.

http://www.wnd.com/2000/03/1933/

[rogue06]

So is Japan's. It's kind of a tautology that where people don't have guns, death by gun is rare.

Interestingly Switzerland, where adult males are required to keep fully automatic weapons in their homes, has a very low crime rate. Seems that the availability of firearms isn't the only issue at play.

[nrajeff]

Interestingly Switzerland, where adult males are required to keep fully automatic weapons in their homes, has a very low crime rate. Seems that the availability of firearms isn't the only issue at play.

Quite correct. If ancient cavemen wanted to kill each other, their lack of firearms didn't prove to be much of a hindrance. If you want to kill, or you want to die, you will find a way.

One of my favorite pro-2nd-Amendment bumper stickers goes:

Saying that guns cause crime is like saying that forks cause Michael Moore's obesity.

[Cow Poke]

Saying that guns cause crime is like saying that forks cause Michael Moore's obesity.

I've seen similar, but with spoons and Rosie O'Donnell.

[nrajeff]

I've seen similar, but with spoons and Rosie O'Donnell.

Yes, I have seen that one.

[rogue06]

Quite correct. If ancient cavemen wanted to kill each other, their lack of firearms didn't prove to be much of a hindrance. If you want to kill, or you want to die, you will find a way.

One of my favorite pro-2nd-Amendment bumper stickers goes:

Saying that guns cause crime is like saying that forks cause Michael Moore's obesity.

Or umbrellas cause rain. Or pencils cause bad spelling.

[Cow Poke]

Or umbrellas cause rain. Or pencils cause bad spelling.

Yeah, and besides, guns don't kill people -- people who kill people kill people... and an occasional accidental death by hunting dog.


And, yes, sadly there are way too many deaths due to people improperly securing, storing or handling weapons.

[nrajeff]

"Shotguns don't shoot people; Vice Presidents of the USA shoot people" ?

[rogue06]

"Shotguns don't shoot people; Vice Presidents of the USA shoot people" ?

We really missed an opportunity with that incident. Can you imagine telling the mullahs in Iran or the little gargoyle in North Korea, "look our VP shoots his friends in the face with a shotgun. What do you think he'll do to someone who he doesn't like and who pissed him off?"

[Cow Poke]

We really missed an opportunity with that incident. Can you imagine telling the mullahs in Iran or the little gargoyle in North Korea, "look our VP shoots his friends in the face with a shotgun. What do you think he'll do to someone who he doesn't like and who pissed him off?"

You said the "p" word!

[rogue06]

You said the "p" word!

I'll go further.
























Poop.


















Yeah. I went there.

[Cow Poke]

Yeah. I went there.

Oddly enough, somehow "poop" doesn't seem as yukkie in my mind as the other "p" word.

Funny how some "bad words" are perceived as worse than others. My best friend's father would only curse in German, and he DID curse -- you could tell by the tone of voice and facial expression! -- hence, I try not to 'speak German' in polite company.