Gentile Church.

[Cow Poke]

"the grand Poobah" is from the Flintstones, where Fred was a member of the Water Buffalos.

From our good friends at Wikiknowitalls....

Grand Poobah is a term derived from the name of the haughty character Pooh-Bah in Gilbert and Sullivan's The Mikado (1885).....

The term "Grand Poobah" was used on the television show The Flintstones as the name of a high ranking elected position in a men's club. Fred Flintstone and his friend Barney Rubble were members of the Loyal Order of Water Buffaloes Lodge No. 26. The lodge is a spoof of men's clubs like the Freemasons, the Shriners, the Elks Club and the Moose Lodge....

The character Howard Cunningham on the TV series Happy Days was a Grand Poobah of Leopard Lodge No. 462 in Milwaukee...

All in good humor.

[Brown Cat]

Seems I'm always late to the party.

How was the first vision story in PGP 1, interpreted by Smith's early successors? Since these held the high offices of president, counselors, apostles and seventies, their teachings should also be considered, I would think.

[Cow Poke]

Seems I'm always late to the party.

How was the first vision story in PGP 1, interpreted by Smith's early successors? Since these held the high offices of president, counselors, apostles and seventies, their teachings should also be considered, I would think.

Interestingly, I've been reading some lately about the fact that the alleged First Vision wasn't even widely told or even discussed in the early Mormon Church. It wasn't until the 20th century that it was given the importance it has today.

[Brown Cat]

Interestingly, I've been reading some lately about the fact that the alleged First Vision wasn't even widely told or even discussed in the early Mormon Church. It wasn't until the 20th century that it was given the importance it has today.

Would you mind sharing with me where you've been reading this information?

And when the first vision story became more prominent, what was the teaching of LDS leaders concerning it at the time?

[Cow Poke]

Would you mind sharing with me where you've been reading this information?

Not at all, BC ... lemme do some digging. I've been doing a lot of reading lately, so I'll have to figure out where I got that.

And when the first vision story became more prominent, what was the teaching of LDS leaders concerning it at the time?

I can't find where there was so much discussion about the apostasy of the rest of the Churches, as there was an emphasis on Smith having been commissioned by God through the experience. From what I read (and I'll really try to find it) the elevation of the "First Vision" to prominence was to offset and downplay all the attention that polygamy had gained. Kind of shifting emphasis.

[nrajeff]

I have a number of friends who are Masons, Jeff. They jokingly refer to their top guy as "the grand poobah". I think I actually got that term from the show "Happy Days". So, yeah, you should probably apologize for picking of nit when there was no nit to pick. But it's no biggie to me -- I can use the term "Grand Master", which seems to be the appropriate term.

Okay, sorry for the picking of the nit. And I don't know if Grand Master is the right term either. Apparently there can be a Worshipful Master, or a Warden, over a lodge. They even have a "Chaplain" rank, so you might have a slot waiting for you.

All I know is that I would only refer to leaders in YOUR church with the term "Grand Poobah" if I was trying to be disrespectful. If some Masons are cool using it about their leaders, then good for them. Maybe they don't take Masonry very seriously.

(If you were NOT offended, then why did you spend so many keystrokes on this? )

Things can bug me with offending me. That's why.

[Cow Poke]

Okay, sorry for the picking of the nit. And I don't know if Grand Master is the right term either. Apparently there can be a Worshipful Master, or a Warden, over a lodge. They even have a "Chaplain" rank, so you might have a slot waiting for you.

All I know is that I would only refer to leaders in YOUR church with the term "Grand Poobah" if I was trying to be disrespectful.

No disrespect was intended by the use of "Grand Poobah". Who can argue with Happy Days and the Flintstones?

[nrajeff]

I meant to say that things can bug me without offending me.

[Cow Poke]

I meant to say that things can bug me without offending me.

I must know you too well, Jeff. That's exactly how I read it, and I had to go back and see what was wrong with the way you said it in the first place!