Lucretius shows why emotional outbursts beats actual thought

[Chrawnus]

Revelation is an apocryphal book. Do you know what "apocryphal" means?

I think you'll find that you meant to write "apocalyptic", and not "apocryphal". Just putting it out there.

[Manwë Súlimo]

Is it even physically possible for you to focus, Lucretius? A smart, reasonable atheist would pick one issue at a time to discuss, backed with arguments and sound logic. What you're doing is verbal diarrhea.

[thewriteranon]

There is a total of one sin that deserves eternal torment. And that is the sentencing of another being to eternal torment

Woah, wait. When did you become God that you can decide what sin is worth eternal damnation?

[thewriteranon]

Is it even physically possible for you to focus, Lucretius? A smart, reasonable atheist would pick one issue at a time to discuss, backed with arguments and sound logic. What you're doing is verbal diarrhea.

"It's just . . . It's just like . . . Sometimes the words kind of fall out of my mouth."

[thewriteranon]

I think you'll find that you meant to write "apocalyptic", and not "apocryphal". Just putting it out there.

D'oh! I'm not thinking straight.

[Manwë Súlimo]

"It's just . . . It's just like . . . Sometimes the words kind of fall out of my mouth."

It's okay, Lucretius! You can't help it!

[Thersites]

I already know all I need to know about Christianity. I grew up Christian and had it force-fed to me. I read lots of books, like Bart Ehrman, C.S. Lewis, and of course the bible itself (from cover-to-cover, several times).

Did your study of Lewis include The Great Divorce?

[Lucretius]

In order that the happiness of the saints may be more delightful to them and that they may render more copious thanks to God for it, they are allowed to see perfectly the sufferings of the damned. . .So that they may be urged the more to praise God. . .The saints in heaven know distinctly all that happens. . .to the damned. [Summa Theologica, Third Part, Supplement, Question XCIV, "Of the Relations of the Saints Towards the Damned," First Article, "Whether the Blessed in Heaven Will See the Sufferings of the Damned. . ."]

“The same fire” (which he decides to be material) “ torments the damned in hell and the just in purgatory…The least pain in purgatory exceeds the greatest in this life.” Summa Theo. Suppl. Qu. 100, acts. 2, n. 3.--Christian Theologian Thomas Aquinas

[Manwë Súlimo]

"I never knew Lewis got divorced!"

[thewriteranon]

"I never knew Lewis got divorced!"

"That's not even Christian! Lewis was a hypocrite!"

[Rational Gaze]

There is a total of one sin that deserves eternal torment. And that is the sentencing of another being to eternal torment

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[Manwë Súlimo]

Everybody say a prayer for Rogue.

[Rational Gaze]

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[Andius]

If the Creator didn't want there to be a Hell, God wouldn't have created one. That God then gets to pretend he's being merciful by offering some people a way out of hellis the logic of the abuser "You shouldn't have made me hit you."

Another "if", well done in equivocating in how the nature of Hell works (here's a hint, it is more akin to an exile from His domains. Why would God force people to enter into his domains? Impose on them health and prosperity against their will?).

Ultimately only one person created Hell - and that is God. Only one person condemns people to Hell and that is God. And no act or acts that a human can undertake in an imperfect world can ever deserve eternal torment. Hitler may deserve ten thousand years of suffering (maybe more) - I'm not arguing. But Hitler doesn't deserve eternal torment.

Too bad. The atheistic framework does not lend itself in formulating objective criterias on the matters of "deservings". I thought atheists were mean't to be reasonable (not that you are helping either)

There is a total of one sin that deserves eternal torment. And that is the sentencing of another being to eternal torment. The "good news" of the Gospel is that God may be an evil, cruel, and sadistic bastard whose justice is a parody of the term - but despite this it is possible to placate him.

Newsflash. God is not a priori obliged to maintain individual's well being's. What is your basis that God HAS to spare peoples of eternal shame. You may as well demand that Oil Tycoons are OBLIGED a priori to spare individuals from the tortures of hunger and disease? Lovely to see emotion pass of as justice, what now "hero"? Care more to show this world your enlightening "justice"?

[Meta Knight]

But if the only sin that deserves sentencing to eternal torment is the sentencing of another being to eternal torment, wouldn't that mean that the person who sentenced the being to eternal torment who sentenced the being to eternal torment also be worthy of sentencing to eternal torment for sentencing another being to eternal torment?

I'm so confused.