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I just saw the following biblical passage "14 For he is our peace; in his flesh he has made both groups into one and has broken down the dividing wall, that is, the hostility between us.15 He has abolished the law with its commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new humanity in place of the two, thus making peace,16 and might reconcile both groups to God in one body through the cross, thus putting to death that hostility through it."
What is Paul saying here? What is his message? Who are the two groups that he is talking about? What law is being abolished?
Thank you in advance for your answers.
Micah 6:6. With what shall I come before the Lord, bow before the Most High G-d? Shall I come before Him with burnt offerings, with yearling calves? 7. Will the Lord be pleased with thousands of rams, with myriad streams of oil? Shall I give my firstborn for my transgression, the fruit of my body for the sin of my soul? 8. He has told you, O man, what is good, and what the Lord demands of you; but to do justice, to love loving-kindness, and to walk discreetly with your G-d.
Paul is talking about the end of the Mosaic Law's function of determining who is "in" (Jews) and "out" (Gentiles) with God. In the New Testament paradigm which Jesus came to establish, forgiveness of sins is not through participation in the Temple sacrificial system, but through faith in Jesus, who sacrificed himself. The verses before and after this section make it clear about the two groups being Jews and Gentiles, now united in Christ as God's people:
Note that this does not mean that things forbidden under the Mosaic Law are necessarily OK now. As Paul argues elsewhere, the Law is based on eternal precepts which are written on the heart of those who predated Moses, or who just never heard of him.
What is Paul saying here? What is his message? Who are the two groups that he is talking about? What law is being abolished?
Firstly, I like to say that I pretty much second what RB wrote...
Paul's message is essentially that the Gentiles who have come to know Christ are now a part of God's people, Israel.
Now to understand a little more about Pauline theology in terms of God's people (Israel), and the inclusion of the Gentiles, I think a read through Romans might help.
For example, in Romans Paul says:
Romans 9:6b
For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel.
In other words, its not physical ancestry that makes someone part of the people of God; the people of God depend on the promises of God. Although those promises were once sought after through the law, the are now realized through Christ.
Paul is talking about the end of the Mosaic Law's function of determining who is "in" (Jews) and "out" (Gentiles) with God.
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Note that this does not mean that things forbidden under the Mosaic Law are necessarily OK now. As Paul argues elsewhere, the Law is based on eternal precepts which are written on the heart of those who predated Moses, or who just never heard of him.
Thank you RBerman. How is the inconsistency handled? As you say, the Law is eternal. What is the reasoning to change parts of it?
Thank you RBerman. How is the inconsistency handled? As you say, the Law is eternal. What is the reasoning to change parts of it
The Law in and of itself is not eternal. Rather it is based on eternal precepts. This is an important distinction.
In other words the heart behind the Law (or Spirit of the Law) still exists today (always has, and always will), but not all of the rules and regulations are eternal in their necessity to be followed.
Thank you RBerman. How is the inconsistency handled? As you say, the Law is eternal. What is the reasoning to change parts of it?
It's not a matter of inconsistency, but of overlapping concepts. Hopefully the following explanation is not too tedious.
"The Law" is used in two different senses in the New Testament. Sometimes it refers generally to the concept that God's holy character implies certain responsibilities for men. Do not murder, do not steal, do not worship false gods, etc. "The law" in that sense is a universal truth, predating the specific Law which God gave to Moses. This twofold sense of "law" is seen nicely here in Romans 5:
First, Paul affirms that sin is a universal experience since the days of Adam, even before "the law was given" (that is, to Moses). Then he notes that "sin is not charged against anyone's account where there is no law." That is, there was "law" even before the law was given to Moses; else there could not have been sin before Moses. This fits well with Paul's observation that even Gentiles who don't have Moses' law still have "the requirements of law" as a burden on their consciences, as a matter of nature:
Everything in Moses' law deals with proper behavior toward either God and/or man, as seen in Jesus' comments here:
Moses' law contains many provisions which show us what "love God, love man" looked like in the specific culture to which they were directly given, such as the establishment of specific cities of refuge in Israel (Numbers 35). Much of the law of Moses concerned the rules for priests to offer various sacrifices on altars, either for gratitude or to propitiate for sin. The underlying issue of God's holiness, and man's need for forgiveness of sins, is one of the eternal truths. But the specific remedy of offering a living sacrifice has been eternally satisfied by Jesus, who offered himself as the sacrifice for sin, obviating the need for ongoing animal slaughter.
So the eternal law (the need for a sacrifice for man's sin) did not change. But it was satisfied in a different way before Jesus came. As a result, the Gentiles who did not participate in the Jewish sacrifices are now able to become a part of Israel through faith in Jesus.
That's a good explanation RBerman. It all fits nicely with what I know about your religion. Thanks!
You are welcome! I commend the book of Hebrews to you; it was specifically written to explain to Jews how Jesus fit into their ancient faith. Jesus' relationships to Adam, Moses, the Davidic king, the priesthood, the sacrificial system, the Sabbath, the prophets, and more are explored therein.
"I just saw the following biblical passage. What is Paul saying here? What is his message? Who are the two groups that he is talking about? What law is being abolished?
Thank you in advance for your answers. "
"14 For he is our peace; in his flesh he has made both groups into one and has broken down the dividing wall, that is, the hostility between us.15 He has abolished the law with its commandments and ordinances, that he might create in himself one new humanity in place of the two, thus making peace,16 and might reconcile both groups to God in one body through the cross, thus putting to death that hostility through it."
For He is the solution to the enmity between Jew and Gentile; through His teachings he has made both groups into one. He has abolished the 613 precepts God imposed on His Chosen people through the covenant at Sinai, which brought blessings only to Abraham's blood descendants, and replaced it with a single precept, belief in Christ resulting in greater blessings, to both Abraham's blood AND spiritual descendants.
Jews and Gentiles. Though the NT does not deny the ethnic distinction between the two, it is made very clear that ethnic distinctions are entirely irrelevant as far as God's salvific will is concerned (e.g., Acts 10:34, 35; 44-48; 11:18; Romans 2:6-11; 10:11-13; Galatians 3:23-29; Colossians 3:11). There is no room for Gentile haughtiness (see Paul's discussion in Romans 11, with special reference to vv.17-24) or Jewish pride (2:17-29; 3:27-31). God calls both Jews and Gentiles genuinely and seriously -- apart from prejudice or ethnic distinction -- to repentance (change of mind), faith (trust) and baptism (union) with Christ. In this sense, God doesn't play favorites.
Awwww, watch him pretending to be an innocent victim, while he engages in the very thing he condemns and doesn't bat an eye at his obvious hypocrisy. All for you Mickiel... :violin:
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