Is the LDS church pagan or not?

[OtherCheek]

Webster:

1; especially : a follower of a polytheistic religion (as in ancient Rome)

Now they claim to only follow ONE God, but in fact they follow at least 3 Gods and believe in an infinite number of other gods.

So by that definition they could be called Pagan. But then the God(s) they claim to follow are the Judeo-Christian God.

So are they pagan or a Christian sect? or both?

I suppose if Jesus Christ is going to be defined as a "pagan God," then that makes me a pagan.

[Bill the Cat]

I suppose if Jesus Christ is going to be defined as a "pagan God," then that makes me a pagan.

Well, your version of Jesus is...

[nrajeff]

Main Entry:
heterodox  [het-er-uh-doks] Show IPA

Part of Speech:
adjective

Definition:
heretical

Interesting. So then, applying that definition to all Christian churches/denominations that don't belong to the Orthodox tradition (Eastern/Greek/Russian etc.), a huge percentage of Christian churches are heretical?

Every church that falls under the heading of Protestantism/Reformationism, for example?

[Bill the Cat]

Interesting. So then, applying that definition to all Christian churches/denominations that don't belong to the Orthodox tradition (Eastern/Greek/Russian etc.), a huge percentage of Christian churches are heretical?

Every church that falls under the heading of Protestantism/Reformationism, for example?

Once again, you mistake Big O for little o orthodox...

[nrajeff]

Once again, you mistake Big O for little o orthodox...

No I don't. I haven't made that mistake in years, IIRC.

True or false: The Orthodox community considers those outside their tradition to be unorthodox, ergo heterodox, ergo heretical per your definition.

[Bill the Cat]

No I don't. I haven't made that mistake in years, IIRC.

True or false: The Orthodox community considers those outside their tradition to be unorthodox, ergo heterodox, ergo heretical per your definition.

No they don't. DOCTRINES are orthodox or heterodox, not denominations. From what I know, the Orthodox communities see us as schismatics, not heretics.

[One Bad Pig]

No they don't. DOCTRINES are orthodox or heterodox, not denominations.

Sorta. If someone (or some group) holds unorthodox doctrines, they are considered unorthodox - in English, at any rate.

From what I know, the Orthodox communities see us as schismatics, not heretics.

Strictly speaking, those who do not affirm the entirety of the Nicene Creed would be considered heterodox, and there are a couple clauses in it that are at least interpreted differently by Protestants. On the other hand, not all heterodox are treated the same. In general, those who have been baptized as Trinitarians can be received into the Orthodox Church by chrismation, which suffices to make valid the earlier baptism; non-Trinitarians, on the other hand, are always received through baptism.

[Cow Poke]

In general, those who have been baptized as Trinitarians can be received into the Orthodox Church by chrismation..

Can you expound on that just a bit, please?

[One Bad Pig]

Can you expound on that just a bit, please?

Chrismation is anointing with specially consecrated oil, and is analogous to the laying on of hands by the apostles for receipt of the Holy Spirit. When a person is baptized, chrismation immediately follows. It is also done for schismatics who join or re-join the Orthodox Church.

[Cow Poke]

Chrismation is anointing with specially consecrated oil, and is analogous to the laying on of hands by the apostles for receipt of the Holy Spirit. When a person is baptized, chrismation immediately follows. It is also done for schismatics who join or re-join the Orthodox Church.

Interesting. Thanks

[LDSAngel]

Regarding the Masons. You do realise that the basis of the Masonic Lodges come from Noah????

[Cerebrum123]

Regarding the Masons. You do realise that the basis of the Masonic Lodges come from Noah????

Care to elaborate on how it comes from Noah?

[LDSAngel]

Care to elaborate on how it comes from Noah?

The information is there for those whom choose to seek it out.

[Cerebrum123]

The information is there for those whom choose to seek it out.

When you make a claim like that you should at least back it up.

[Cow Poke]

The information is there for those whom choose to seek it out.

Ah... a classic "I said it, but I don't intend to back it up" claim.

Are you conceding that Smith did, in fact, copy a lot of his "Temple rituals" from the Masons, and this is OK because, in your opinion, they came from NOAH?