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    Commentary Thread: Is the Bible Inspired by God

    This thread is for commentary on the debate between Hakeem and 37818. Participants are not allowed to comment here until the debate is over. Debate can be found here:

    http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...Hakeem-v-37818
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    Hakeem trots out the tired canards of "contradictions"...like we have never seen these before. I suspect from the two openings, that 37818 will have no issues dismantling Hakeems weak opening. We shall see...
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    I don't think Hakeem understands how to do a formal debate.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    I don't think Hakeem understands how to do a formal debate.
    He also doesn't seem to realize that the Koran affirms the inspiration, preservation, and authority of the Biblical texts. Short video explains all of this, but I'm also posting a few of the verses in the Koran that affirm that God's words don't change, that the Torah and Gospel are God's words, and that they were authoritative even for Muslims.



    3.3 He has revealed this Book to you, setting forth the truth and confirming the earlier Books, and earlier He revealed the Torah and Gospel
    3.4 for the guidance of mankind; and He has also revealed the Criterion (to distinguish truth from falsehood). A severe chastisement lies in store for those who deny the signs of Allah. Allah is All-Mighty; He is the Lord of Retribution.

    18.27 (O Prophet), recite to them from the Book of your Lord what has been revealed to you for none may change His words; (and were you to make any change in His words) you will find no refuge from Him.

    7.157 [To-day this mercy is for] those who follow the ummi Prophet, whom they find mentioned in the Torah and the Gospel with them. He enjoins upon them what is good and forbids them what is evil. He makes the clean things lawful to them and prohibits all corrupt things, and removes from them their burdens and the shackles that were upon them. So those who believe in him and assist him, and succour him and follow the Light which has been sent down with him, it is they who shall prosper.

    5.68 Say to them: 'People of the Book! You have no solid ground to stand on unless you establish the Torah and the Gospel and all that had been revealed to you from your Lord. Indeed the message revealed to you from your Lord will aggravate insurgence and unbelief in many of them. So do not grieve for those who disbelieve.

    10.94 Now, if you are in doubt concerning what We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Book before you. It is the truth that has come to you from your Lord, so do never become one of those who doubt,

    So, Christians are supposed to judge by the Gospel, but the Gospel is inherently opposed to the Koran. It's impossible for a Christian to obey the Koran, because if they judge by the Gospel, then they reject the Koran, but if they reject the Koran, then they aren't obeying it. If we reject the Gospel, to follow the Koran, we are thereby disobeying the Koran.

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    Wow... That was... underwhelming...


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    uh. I thought the Muslims accepted the Old Testament as scripture? If so, didn't Hakeem just call his own religion liars for doing so?

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    It seems Hakeem does not understand the difference between what God originally inspired from the errors of man handling the texts. The Arabic Quran has suffered worst than the Hebrew and Greek texts of the Bible. Believers have better access of tools to study the Hebrew and Greek texts of the Bible than those who believe Quran do to understand its Arabic text.

    There is the promise that God will make liars out of those who would add to His written word (Proverbs 30:6). And is in evidence for all to see. The Bible contradictions!

    I will begin posting here, addressing Hakeem's last set arguments. For starters, he has failed to show any of the contradictions are do to textual issues existing in the original autographs of said texts. Which means the errors are of man coping the texts not in the text as was give by God. So the God breathed text has not been refuted.

    And this is besides his misinterpretations.
    . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    uh. I thought the Muslims accepted the Old Testament as scripture? If so, didn't Hakeem just call his own religion liars for doing so?
    The Koran commands them to accept it as the inspired words of Allah, but generally Muslims today think it's been "corrupted".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    The Koran commands them to accept it as the inspired words of Allah, but generally Muslims today think it's been "corrupted".
    well then, that pretty much defeats Hakeem's argument right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    well then, that pretty much defeats Hakeem's argument right there.
    Yup, which is why I posted the video earlier. It's a short summary of why the Koran is self defeating.

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