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  • #46
    37818 saying "If the parents had more than one child, the first born are always the oldest" shows how desperate he is on this. You made me smile. Thanks really.

    I will assume what you said above is true in case of 99% of the firstborn of Egypt and 1% of the firstborn of Egypt is infant. The problem remains what the guilt of these 1% firstborn is.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
      37818 saying "If the parents had more than one child, the first born are always the oldest" shows how desperate he is on this. You made me smile. Thanks really.

      I will assume what you said above is true in case of 99% of the firstborn of Egypt and 1% of the firstborn of Egypt is infant. The problem remains what the guilt of these 1% firstborn is.
      You do not understand the grace of God. In case of the passover event God Himself did the killing.

      The Prophet Jesus argued, "little children . . . for such are the kingdom of God. . . . Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein." (Mark 10:14-15.) And that is why Jesus said, "Except a man be born over, he cannot see the kingdom of God." (John 3:3.)

      God told Moses, "See now that I, even I, am He, and there is no god with Me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of My hand." (Deuteronomy 32:39.)
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
        It is not assumption, It is a fact that Psalm 135:8 "He struck down the firstborn of Egypt, the firstborn of people and animals."
        Well now if you think about it a little bit you will discover that a person can be the first born and be well over the age of 50.

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
          37818 saying "If the parents had more than one child, the first born are always the oldest" shows how desperate he is on this. You made me smile. Thanks really.

          I will assume what you said above is true in case of 99% of the firstborn of Egypt and 1% of the firstborn of Egypt is infant. The problem remains what the guilt of these 1% firstborn is.
          The innocent got to be with God.

          What did your prophet say about killing the innocent?

          It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: “They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4322, see also Bukhari 52:256)

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
            The innocent got to be with God.

            What did your prophet say about killing the innocent?

            It is reported on the authority of Sa'b b. Jaththama that the Prophet of Allah (may peace be upon him), when asked about the women and children of the polytheists being killed during the night raid, said: “They are from them.” (Sahih Muslim 4322, see also Bukhari 52:256)
            Nice way out from trouble but I am not going to shift to any topic other than the inspiration of the Bible.

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            • #51
              Another crystal clear contradiction is Jehoiachin was 18 years old according to 2 Kings 24:8, but 8 years old according to 2 Chronicles 36:9 when he began to reign and he reigned 3 months according to 2 Kings 24:8, but 3 months and 10 days according to 2 Chronicles 36:9.

              Please refer to the links of the Hebrew Texts;
              http://biblehub.com/text/2_kings/24-8.htm
              http://biblehub.com/text/2_chronicles/36-9.htm

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                Nice way out from trouble but I am not going to shift to any topic other than the inspiration of the Bible.
                No "out" at all.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                  Another crystal clear contradiction is Jehoiachin was 18 years old according to 2 Kings 24:8, but 8 years old according to 2 Chronicles 36:9 when he began to reign and he reigned 3 months according to 2 Kings 24:8, but 3 months and 10 days according to 2 Chronicles 36:9.

                  Please refer to the links of the Hebrew Texts;
                  http://biblehub.com/text/2_kings/24-8.htm
                  http://biblehub.com/text/2_chronicles/36-9.htm
                  The existence of this known variant, how does that prove both readings are originally as written as you seem to suppose?
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                    The existence of this known variant, how does that prove both readings are originally as written as you seem to suppose?
                    Obviously one must be wrong. Both cannot be right. We lack the originals of the Bible and hence educated guesses are made.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                      Obviously one must be wrong. Both cannot be right. We lack the originals of the Bible and hence educated guesses are made.
                      This is equally true of the Quran, especially considering what Uthman did. I mean, he went and burned all variants because of the issues they were having.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                        Another crystal clear contradiction is Jehoiachin was 18 years old according to 2 Kings 24:8, but 8 years old according to 2 Chronicles 36:9 when he began to reign and he reigned 3 months according to 2 Kings 24:8, but 3 months and 10 days according to 2 Chronicles 36:9.

                        Please refer to the links of the Hebrew Texts;
                        http://biblehub.com/text/2_kings/24-8.htm
                        http://biblehub.com/text/2_chronicles/36-9.htm
                        The first is a copyist error; As has been explained to you -- "known copyist errors do not constitute errors in the original autographs of Bible as God gave it."

                        and the second:

                        "the author of the Chronicles has been more specific with his numbering, whereas the author of Kings is simply rounding off the number of months, assuming that the additional ten days is not significant enough to mention."

                        It appears you are going through a list. Answers to the list can be found here:

                        http://gluefox.com/min/contrad.htm

                        Let's take a look at the Qur'an:

                        The Perversion of Qur’an and the Loss of Many Parts of It

                        http://www.answering-islam.org/BehindVeil/btv12.html

                        Clips:

                        ’Ibn Umar al–Khattab explicitly admits,

                        "Let no one of you say that he has acquired the entire Qur’an for how does he know that it is all? Much of the Qur’an has been lost, thus let him say, ‘I have acquired of it what is available"’ (Suyuti: Itqan, part 3, page 72).

                        A’isha (also page 72) adds to the story of ibn Umar and says,

                        "During the time of the prophet, the chapter of the Parties used to be two hundred verses when read. When Uthman edited the copies of the Qur’an, only the current (verses) were recorded" (73 verses).

                        The same statement is made by Ubay ibn Ka’b, one of the great companions. On page 72, part 3, the Suyuti says,

                        "This famous companion asked one of the Muslims, ‘How many verses in the chapter of the Parties?’ He said, ‘Seventy-two or seventy-three verses.’ He (Ubay) told him, ‘It used to be almost equal to the chapter of the Cow (about 286 verses) and included the verse of the stoning.’ The man asked, ‘What is the verse of the stoning?’ He said, ‘If an old man or woman committed adultery, stone them to death."’

                        Another confession by A’isha:

                        "Among the (verses) which were sent down, (the verse) of the ten breast feedings was abrogated by (a verse which calls for five breast feedings. The apostle of God died and this verse was still read as part of the Qur’an. This was related by Abu Bakr and ’Umar" (refer to Suyuti’s qan, part 3, pages 62 and 63).

                        In his book (volume 8, part II, pages 235 and 236), Ibn Hazm says plainly,

                        "The verses of stoning and breast feeding were in the possession of A’isha in a (Qur’anic) copy. When Muhammad died and people became busy in the burial preparations, a domesticated animal entered in and ate it."

                        In part 3, page 73, the Suyuti said,

                        "Hamida, the daughter of Abi Yunis, said, ‘When my father was eighty years old, he read in the copy of A’isha, "God and His angels bless (literally pray for) the prophet Oh ye who believe, bless him and those who pray in the first rows." Then she said, "That was before ’Uthman changed the Qur’anic copies.""’

                        On page 74, we read,

                        "Umar said to ’Abdul-Rahman Ibn ’Oaf, ‘Didn’t you find among the verses that we received one saying, "Strive as you strove at the first?" We do not locate it (any more).’ ’Abdul-Rahman Ibn ’Oaf told him, ‘This verse has been removed among those others which were removed from the Qur’an."’

                        If we ponder the first part of "The Itqan", by the Suyuti, we read (page 184),

                        "Malik says that several verses from chapter 9 (Sura of Repentance) have been dropped from the beginning. Among them is, ‘In the name of God the compassionate, the Merciful’ because it was proven that the length of Sura of Repentance was equal to the length of the Sura of the Cow."

                        This means that this chapter has lost 157 verses. Also (page 184), the Suyuti tells us that the words, "In the name of God the compassionate, the merciful" were found in the chapter of Repentance in the Qur’anic copy which belonged to Ibn Mas’ud which ’Uthman confiscated and burned when the current Qur’an was edited.

                        Not only verses have been dropped, but also entire chapters have been abolished from the ’Uthmanic copy which is in the hands of all Muslims today.

                        Different versions of the same story in the Qur'an:

                        http://www.answering-islam.org/Autho...quotations.pdf

                        Using the same standard you are using, the Qur'an is not the word of God.

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                        • #57
                          Christian3 saying "The first is a copyist error; As has been explained to you -- "known copyist errors do not constitute errors in the original autographs of Bible as God gave it" is an admission of the existence of contradiction regardless of the reason.

                          Contributing such contradiction to copyist error is a baseless assumption since no has seen the originals because these originals are lost.

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                            Christian3 saying "The first is a copyist error; As has been explained to you -- "known copyist errors do not constitute errors in the original autographs of Bible as God gave it" is an admission of the existence of contradiction regardless of the reason.

                            Contributing such contradiction to copyist error is a baseless assumption since no has seen the originals because these originals are lost.
                            Kind of figured you would ignore the rest of his post that shows far worse corruption of the Quranic texts.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                              Christian3 saying "The first is a copyist error; As has been explained to you -- "known copyist errors do not constitute errors in the original autographs of Bible as God gave it" is an admission of the existence of contradiction regardless of the reason.

                              Contributing such contradiction to copyist error is a baseless assumption since no has seen the originals because these originals are lost.
                              Does not prove the original had the error.

                              Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                              Obviously one must be wrong. Both cannot be right. We lack the originals of the Bible and hence educated guesses are made.
                              Yeah, the difference between a believer in God's word and one who chooses to disallow the original from God is without the error.
                              Last edited by 37818; 02-24-2018, 10:43 AM.
                              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                              • #60
                                Cerebrum123 saying "Kind of figured you would ignore the rest of his post that shows far worse corruption of the Quranic texts" is true because this thread is commentary on the debate of the inspiration of the Bible.

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