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  • #31
    Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post

    One of the flat out contradictions is as follows;

    Exodus 24:11 tells "They SAW God" whereas 1 Timothy 6:16 says "who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom NO ONE HAS SEEN or CAN SEE."
    EXODUS 24:9–11—HOW COULD THESE PEOPLE SEE GOD WHEN GOD SAID IN EXODUS 33:20, “NO MAN SHALL SEE ME AND LIVE”?
    PROBLEM: Exodus 24:9–11 records that Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy of the elders of Israel ascended the mountain of God and “saw the God of Israel.” However, Exodus 19:12–13 says that the people could not even touch the base of the mountain without being put to death. And in Exodus 33:20 God says that no one can see Him and live. How could these people go up the mountain and see God and yet live?

    SOLUTION: First, it should be noted that God invited them to see Him. In Exodus 19:12–13 God told Moses to set the boundaries around the mountain so that no one should even touch its base without the punishment of death. However, God specifically invited these people to ascend the mountain in order to consecrate them for the service to which they had been appointed, and to seal the covenant which had been established between God and the nation of Israel.

    Second, it is clear from the description and from other passages of Scripture (Ex. 33:19–20; Num. 12:8; John 1:18), that what these people saw was not the essence of God, but rather a visual representation of the glory of God. Even when Moses asked to see God’s glory (Ex. 33:18–23), it was only a likeness of God which Moses saw (cf. Num. 12:8 where the Hebrew word temunah—“form,” “likeness”—is used), and not the very essence of God.

    http://defendinginerrancy.com/bible-...us_24.9-11.php

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    • #32
      Christian3 referring to "Those who did the copying were prone to making two types of scribal errors" is an admission that there are contradictions in the Bible regardless of the reasons.

      Thanks

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
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        I agree the Quran confirms the scriptures before the arrival of prophet Mohammed that such scriptures are inspired by God.as revealed by God. So we have to see if the Bible (whether Protestant or Catholic Bible) we have today is inspired by God. One way to know if the Bible is inspired by God is that contradictions should not be in the Bible as per Proverbs 30:5 "Every word of God is flawless".

        One of the flat out contradictions is as follows;

        Exodus 24:11 tells "They SAW God" whereas 1 Timothy 6:16 says "who alone is immortal and who lives in unapproachable light, whom NO ONE HAS SEEN or CAN SEE."
        One thing you fail to understand is in one view of Christian christology the Son of God made all the appearances on the behalf of God, as explained in John 1:18, "No man hath seen God at any time; notethe only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He hath declared [Him]."

        Another flat out contradiction is as follows;

        2 Kings 8:26 says "Ahaziah was 22 years old when he began to rule" whereas "Ahaziah was 42 years old when he began to rule" according to 2 Chronicles 22:2.

        I debated the inspiration of the Bible so I am not going to address the preservation of the Bible.
        From your last comment here, it shows that you remember my answer I gave for this.
        Originally posted by 37818 View Post
        None of those contradictions, flaws or errors as they now exist can be shown to be from the original autographs of said God-breathed documents.

        It is obvious that one of the readings in the Hebrew text is wrong.

        Without giving you any further explanation, the original reading has been deduced to be the one as found in 2 Kings 8:26. The reading forty-two in Hebrew of 2 Chronicles 22:2 is the reading which was the corrupted text. In 2 Chronicles 22:2 the NIV and NASB give the reading, "twenty-two."
        Again, known copyist errors do not constitute errors in the original autographs of Bible as God gave it.
        . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

        . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

        Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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        • #34
          37818 admitted that "It is obvious that one of the readings in the Hebrew text is wrong" so thank you 37818 for such admission.

          37818 claiming "Again, known copyist errors do not constitute errors in the original autographs of Bible as God gave it" is a baseless assumption since none of the originals exist today. All we have are copies of copies of copies.

          In anyway, preservation was not what I debated. I debated the inspiration of the Bible that for a book to be inspired by God, it must not have contradictions in it.
          Last edited by Same Hakeem; 02-11-2018, 12:21 PM.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
            37818 admitted that "It is obvious that one of the readings in the Hebrew text is wrong" so thank you 37818 for such admission.

            37818 claiming "Again, known copyist errors do not constitute errors in the original autographs of Bible as God gave it" is a baseless assumption since none of the originals exist today. All we have are copies of copies of copies.

            In anyway, preservation was not what I debated. I debated the inspiration of the Bible that for a book to be inspired by God, it must not have contradictions in it.
            You failed to prove the original inspired word of God (the Bible as given by God) has any such errors in it.
            . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

            . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

            Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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            • #36
              37818 claiming "You failed to prove the original inspired word of God (the Bible as given by God) has any such errors in it" is a baseless assumption that the originals do not have such errors because we do not have the original today.

              Also, the Bible have major discrepancies. For example, according to Deuteronomy 4:31, God is merciful; however, God is not merciful according to 1 Samuel 15:1-3 & Ezekiel 9:3-6 where God orders to kill INFANTS and CHILDREN.

              1 Samuel 15:1-3 (NIV)

              15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord.2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

              Ezekiel 9:3-6 (NIV)

              3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim,where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”

              5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.
              Last edited by Same Hakeem; 02-11-2018, 01:28 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                Christian3 referring to "Those who did the copying were prone to making two types of scribal errors" is an admission that there are contradictions in the Bible regardless of the reasons.

                Thanks
                Nonsense.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                  37818 claiming "You failed to prove the original inspired word of God (the Bible as given by God) has any such errors in it" is a baseless assumption that the originals do not have such errors because we do not have the original today.
                  Well you have done two things here. 1) Deny God is inerrant (Proverbs 30:5). 2) How God has preserved His word (Psalm 119:89; Proverb 30:6). And makes copyist errors known. Which BTW He proves the Quran is not His word.
                  . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                  . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                  Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                    37818 claiming "You failed to prove the original inspired word of God (the Bible as given by God) has any such errors in it" is a baseless assumption that the originals do not have such errors because we do not have the original today.

                    Also, the Bible have major discrepancies. For example, according to Deuteronomy 4:31, God is merciful; however, God is not merciful according to 1 Samuel 15:1-3 & Ezekiel 9:3-6 where God orders to kill INFANTS and CHILDREN.

                    1 Samuel 15:1-3 (NIV)

                    15 Samuel said to Saul, “I am the one the Lord sent to anoint you king over his people Israel; so listen now to the message from the Lord.2 This is what the Lord Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. 3 Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”

                    Ezekiel 9:3-6 (NIV)

                    3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim,where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the Lord called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.”

                    5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter the old men, the young men and women, the mothers and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the old men who were in front of the temple.
                    The Qur'an says that your Allah is compassionate and it also records the flood and the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah. So you don't think women and children were killed?

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                    • #40
                      Another example of doctrinal contradiction is where Exodus 12:29 says "Now it came about at midnight that the Lord struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of cattle." However, God killing the innocent firstborn of Egypt cannot be attributed to God because "the Soul that sins shall die" in Ezk 18:1.
                      Last edited by Same Hakeem; 02-13-2018, 05:14 AM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                        Another example of doctrinal contradiction is where Exodus 12:29 says "Now it came about at midnight that the Lord struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of cattle." However, God killing the innocent firstborn of Egypt cannot be attributed to God because "the Soul that sins shall die" in Ezk 18:1.
                        You are assuming that the first born are all infants.

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                          Another example of doctrinal contradiction is where Exodus 12:29 says "Now it came about at midnight that the Lord struck all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh who sat on his throne to the firstborn of the captive who was in the dungeon, and all the firstborn of cattle." However, God killing the innocent firstborn of Egypt cannot be attributed to God because "the Soul that sins shall die" in Ezk 18:1.
                          But it is written in Ecclesiastes(7:20), "For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not."
                          So when the Prophet Jesus was called good teacher by a young man, Jesus replied to him (Mark 10:18),"Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God." So the Prophet Jesus being the only sinless man, what does that identify Him to be? (Mark 1:1. Proverbs 30:4. John 1:10.)

                          "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; . . ." -- Romans 3:23-26.
                          . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                          . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                          Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Christian3 View Post
                            You are assuming that the first born are all infants.
                            It is not assumption, It is a fact that Psalm 135:8 "He struck down the firstborn of Egypt, the firstborn of people and animals."

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Same Hakeem View Post
                              It is not assumption, It is a fact that Psalm 135:8 "He struck down the firstborn of Egypt, the firstborn of people and animals."
                              That passage doesn't say what age the "firstborn" are.

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                              • #45
                                If the parents had more than one child, the first born are always the oldest.
                                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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