Trump: No Transgenders In The Military!

[Starlight]

Interestingly conservative lobby groups who were lobbying Trump on transgender military service, have said they didn't want a ban on transgender service and what they were actually asking for was to prevent the Pentagon from paying for any medical costs associated with transgenderism.

An estimate of Pentagon spending on transgender medical costs suggests that currently around 0.004 to 0.017% of the Pentagon's current spending on healthcare for service members goes to covering transgender-related healthcare costs.

[JimL]

They have a psychological disorder.

Well, that certainly leaves you out MM.

[JimL]

Trump didn't discuss this with his "generals," the pentagon was completely blindsided by this. This is just another ploy by Trump to appease his nutty base after all his talk about ousting one of their fav's, his Atty Gen. J. Sessions.

[Charles]

I recently read the article “The WHO says being transgender is a mental illness. But that’s about to change”. What I found really interesting was the following part:

Reed found that many of the people he interviewed experienced a lot of distress in their lives. Later, using mathematical modeling, he found a good way to predict who was suffering — but the most important determining factor was not being transgender, it was something else.

“We found distress and dysfunction were very powerfully predicted by the experiences of social rejection or violence that people had,” he said. “But they were not actually predicted by gender incongruence itself.”

This finding contradicts the basic classification of a mental illness [...]

So, the problem seems to be rooted somewhere else and not in being transgender.

[rogue06]

I know it's possible for someone with ADD/ADHD to enter the military under at least some circumstances, because there are veterans with it. Though admittedly, I don't know if those veterans were in the army; they might have been in the air force or navy (which Catholicity says allows them).

It is also possible that they weren't diagnosed with it until later or had not been treated with Ritalin and the like.

The point is that the military today has pretty strict qualifications for those who want to join

[Starlight]

“We found distress and dysfunction were very powerfully predicted by the experiences of social rejection or violence that people had,” he said. “But they were not actually predicted by gender incongruence itself.”

An important observation.

Of course, asking any LGBT person would have given the same response. When LGBT people say that it's the social oppression that's harming them not their LGBT identity, they aren't just saying it for the fun of it, it's from experience.

[Charles]

An important observation.

Of course, asking any LGBT person would have given the same response. When LGBT people say that it's the social oppression that's harming them not their LGBT identity, they aren't just saying it for the fun of it, it's from experience.

Which reminds me of this tweet by Trump himself:

Thank you to the LGBT community! I will fight for you while Hillary brings in more people that will threaten your freedoms and beliefs.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...71576039460864

Well, eh....

[Tassman]

An important observation.

Of course, asking any LGBT person would have given the same response. When LGBT people say that it's the social oppression that's harming them not their LGBT identity, they aren't just saying it for the fun of it, it's from experience.

The American Psychological Association (APA) says the same thing.

http://www.apa.org/helpcenter/sexual-orientation.aspx

It's the self righteous bigots claiming that LGBT folk are "damaged", who are causing the damage.

[Tassman]

Which reminds me of this tweet by Trump himself:



https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/...71576039460864

Well, eh....

Par for the course for Lying Crooked Trump!

[Starlight]

Par for the course for Lying Crooked Trump!

Wait... you mean Donald Trump told a lie? Say it ain't so!

[Starlight]

I like the idea of amending the 1964 Civil Rights Act to include a ban of discrimination based on sexual orientation. It would be simple. It would be straightforward.

Donald Trump in a Q and A in 2000

Well...

Note for anybody that missed the news on this topic:
- The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission's current view is that the 1964 Civil Rights Act implicitly prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation on the grounds that it amounts to sex discrimination, and that sexual orientation discrimination in employment is therefore illegal.
- Lower courts in recent years have upheld such an interpretation, including a federal appeals court in April this year (it is a "common-sense reality that it is actually impossible to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation without discriminating on the basis of sex.").
- The Trump DoJ just submitted an unsolicited court brief in a case to which it isn't a party, arguing that the 1964 Civil Rights Act shouldn't be interpreted as banning discrimination based on sexual orientation.

[Charles]

Note for anybody that missed the news on this topic:
- The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission's current view is that the 1964 Civil Rights Act implicitly prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation on the grounds that it amounts to sex discrimination, and that sexual orientation discrimination in employment is therefore illegal.
- Lower courts in recent years have upheld such an interpretation, including a federal appeals court in April this year (it is a "common-sense reality that it is actually impossible to discriminate on the basis of sexual orientation without discriminating on the basis of sex.").
- The Trump DoJ just submitted an unsolicited court brief in a case to which it isn't a party, arguing that the 1964 Civil Rights Act shouldn't be interpreted as banning discrimination based on sexual orientation.

The Q and A I refered to can be found here: https://www.advocate.com/election/20...-gays-mexicans

(I deleted the post by accident while Starlight quoted me and the link died in the quote)

[Charles]

Along the lines of the points made that the mental disorder is not caused by being transgender but by society refusing to accept it, I would like to point to this important line of reasoning:

Society is diseased with homophobia and transphobia, crude and brutal devices used to police and enforce gender norms. This bigotry is internalised by children at the earliest age. Gay, queer, poof: these words are flung at boys – straight or queer – for any behaviour deemed “unmanly”, from a lack of athletic prowess, not getting into enough fights, not talking about girls in degrading enough terms. There’s the irony: straights suffer, too. Suicide is the biggest killer of British men under 50: partly because talking about feelings is seen as a bit, well, gay. But for LGBTQ teenagers, it is considerably worse. Growing up internalising a sense of being inferior, of being dirty, of being wrong, causes incalculable damage.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lity-gay-trans

[Bill the Cat]

Along the lines of the points made that the mental disorder is not caused by being transgender but by society refusing to accept it, I would like to point to this important line of reasoning:



https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...lity-gay-trans

Boy, that is chock full of bald assertions..

[seer]

An estimate of Pentagon spending on transgender medical costs suggests that currently around 0.004 to 0.017% of the Pentagon's current spending on healthcare for service members goes to covering transgender-related healthcare costs.

Why should the military spend one penny on this? How does this help military effectiveness, which is the only goal. And of course the costs would rise as more trans enlisted to get free medical services.