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    Imprecatory prayer

    An ultra conservative pastor is making waves online after publicly calling for imprecatory prayer against John McCain. While I think few would support this, it does raise the question of how Christians should treat imprecatory prayer. It does, after all, appear in the Psalms. I would personally side with the view that Jesus's ethics leave no room for it under the New Covenant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    An ultra conservative pastor is making waves online after publicly calling for imprecatory prayer against John McCain. While I think few would support this, it does raise the question of how Christians should treat imprecatory prayer. It does, after all, appear in the Psalms. I would personally side with the view that Jesus's ethics leave no room for it under the New Covenant.
    Given Paul's rhetoric in various places, notably Galatians, I think there needs to be some other way to interpret and apply those passages other than their being obviated by the change in Covenants.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorrinRadd View Post
    Given Paul's rhetoric in various places, notably Galatians, I think there needs to be some other way to interpret and apply those passages other than their being obviated by the change in Covenants.
    But the key word there is rhetoric, which allows for differing interpretations of the statements. I don't think this is enough to overturn a direct commandment from Jesus to pray for one's enemies.
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    can you give us a link to the story? I haven't heard anything about it.

    In the bible when people prayed against anyone as an enemy, they were praying for justice when they were being oppressed. This happened in the old testament a few time, but in the New Testament Jesus tells us to pray FOR our enemies, to help our neighbors.

    While it is still good to hold people accountable for their sins (as in criminals) we should also pray that they turn to God and become saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    An ultra conservative pastor is making waves online after publicly calling for imprecatory prayer against John McCain. While I think few would support this, it does raise the question of how Christians should treat imprecatory prayer. It does, after all, appear in the Psalms. I would personally side with the view that Jesus's ethics leave no room for it under the New Covenant.
    As we have pointed out to atheists many times, the fact that something appears in the Bible does not indicate God's approval. God never said that we should call down evil on our enemies.
    Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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    My Momma always said, "be kind to your enemies because you made them!"

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    I still can't find the news story about this preacher. anyone have a link?

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    Why is the pastor in question "ultra conservative" rather than "conservative"? Why is that mentioned at all? His political affiliation doesn't make his actions wrong or right; all it does is smear others who are labeled "ultra conservative" or "conservative" with the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingsGambit View Post
    An ultra conservative pastor is making waves online after publicly calling for imprecatory prayer against John McCain. While I think few would support this, it does raise the question of how Christians should treat imprecatory prayer. It does, after all, appear in the Psalms. I would personally side with the view that Jesus's ethics leave no room for it under the New Covenant.
    Link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Why is the pastor in question "ultra conservative" rather than "conservative"? Why is that mentioned at all? His political affiliation doesn't make his actions wrong or right; all it does is smear others who are labeled "ultra conservative" or "conservative" with the same thing.
    Yep. There are the foolish and wicked in all groups - including all the political spectrum.
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