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  • #46
    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    Except that it doesn't in countries with generous, well targeted welfare policies.
    So, you're admitting ours aren't that? It's just a bunch of wrong headed feel good liberals trying to keep folks on the plantation.

    So, obviously the US is perpetuating the wrong policies to address the problems it identifies in society...as indicated by the disgracefully high rates of incarceration, particularly among blacks.
    Yes, the US should not employ the ignorant schemes of empty headed liberals.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      Yes as a population the US is more violent and this has a great deal to do with the inequitable distribution of wealth and the ghettoisation of the underclass...particularly the blacks. A well thought out welfare assistance program will do a great deal to fix the problem, as has been shown in in countries that have an integrated welfare system...such as Australia, NZ and the Scandinavian countries. This is preferable than wasting millions on maintaining prisons which simply perpetuate the problem.
      What you are ignoring is that our poor are often as well off as what is Middle Class in other developed countries. About a decade ago a survey released by the Heritage Foundation and U.S. Department of Energy survey revealed that in the U.S. 82% of poor households had a Microwave; 78% had Air Conditioning; 66% had a DVD player or other video-recording device; 65% had more than 1 TV (98% had at least 1); 64% had Cable or Satellite TV; 55% had a cell phone; 39% had a computer. They tend to live in homes with far more square feet per person than what the Middle Class in Europe have.

      And the recent census indicates those numbers have gone up substantially. For instance microwave ownership went from 82% to 93%. Cell phone ownership went from 55% to 80%[1]. Computer ownership went from 39% to 58%. Video recording devices went from 66% to 83%. And air conditioning went from 78% to over 83%[2]

      Poor people in the U.S. are often dressed in expensive designer clothes including shoes that cost between $100 and $200 for a pair. IIRC the leading cause of disease among them can be linked to obesity.









      1. Compare that to France where roughly 74% of the total population (not just those considered poor) has a cell phone.

      2. Compare that to Italy, which is well known for its hot summers, where only 33% of the total population (not just those considered poor) has air conditioning.

      I'm always still in trouble again

      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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      • #48
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        82% of poor households had a Microwave
        I find the fact that US conservatives actually make this argument hilarious. I've quoted it several times to friends and family and they laugh at you guys every time without fail.

        Last time I bought a microwave, I looked for a second-hand one and paid $7 USD for one that worked fine.

        The difference between poor and not-poor is measured in the $10,000s of income per year. The items you list can cost in the $10s or $100s, or for expensive versions $1000s. You'd have to be a moron to think that someone having items that cost a few hundred dollars means they're not poor.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          I find the fact that US conservatives actually make this argument hilarious. I've quoted it several times to friends and family and they laugh at you guys every time without fail.

          Last time I bought a microwave, I looked for a second-hand one and paid $7 USD for one that worked fine.

          The difference between poor and not-poor is measured in the $10,000s of income per year. The items you list can cost in the $10s or $100s, or for expensive versions $1000s. You'd have to be a moron to think that someone having items that cost a few hundred dollars means they're not poor.
          A lot depends on the actual definition of poverty. My parents, for 20 years lived below the poverty level. They lived quite comfortably even buying a new car. A lot also depends on what those below the poverty level choose to spend their money on.
          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I find the fact that US conservatives actually make this argument hilarious. I've quoted it several times to friends and family and they laugh at you guys every time without fail.

            Last time I bought a microwave, I looked for a second-hand one and paid $7 USD for one that worked fine.

            The difference between poor and not-poor is measured in the $10,000s of income per year. The items you list can cost in the $10s or $100s, or for expensive versions $1000s. You'd have to be a moron to think that someone having items that cost a few hundred dollars means they're not poor.
            I find it hilarious that you claim to have a PhD, but keep showing a total inability to grasp the argument being made. 'The poor' often have convince items or luxuries that many others, around the world don't have. The US poor are not starving, but are some of the best taken care of people on the planet. Amazing that you need this simple point explained to you.
            "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
            GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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            • #51
              So a poor person in the US isn't as poor as a poor person in Africa, and therefore they're not poor?

              Do you want them to be heating their house via a fire pit on a dirt floor before you consider them poor?

              And they're clearly not the best taken care of people on the planet, given the fact that they're taken care of less by their country than many other developed nations, which is sort of other posters point.

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              • #52
                For a more balanced account, see http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...401-story.html

                First, a number of things changed other than that law, so it's not clear that it was the cause.

                "LAPD Chief Charlie Beck noted that arrests for the most serious crimes have risen along with the numbers of those offenses, while the decrease comes largely from narcotics arrests."

                There may well the something to worry about in the decreases, but I'm not convinced that the change in classification of property crimes is it. I don't see any connection between that and narcotics arrests.

                Furthermore, narcotics are a serious problem, but arresting people is at best only part of what is needed to deal with it. It's certainly part of a comprehensive strategy, but so far I'm not seeing much evidence of such a strategy except in isolated areas.
                Last edited by hedrick; 08-06-2017, 02:21 PM.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                  Do you want them to be heating their house via a fire pit on a dirt floor before you consider them poor?
                  They're not Truly PoorTM in the minds of US Conservatives until they they are:
                  * homeless - no, that doesn't count because it's a "lifestyle choice" (I've really been told that in this forum)
                  * can't afford healthcare - no, that doesn't count because it was caused by their decision to buy an iphone, and them "poor life choices where they led unhealthy lifestyles that made them sick" (again in this forum)
                  * can't afford food - no, that doesn't count because one guy in this forum told me that when he was homeless in LA there were so many different churches offering meals to the 'poor' that he could have five good meals a day... and all of America treats their 'poor' as well as rich liberal LA does, so QED.
                  * have a low or no income - no, that doesn't count because they might have existing assets like a microwave that they might have got at a garage sale for $5, so not poor, QED.

                  So there are no Truly PoorTM people in the US, obviously.


                  Half of Americans below or near poverty line:
                  [For] Almost half of Americans... Their debt exceeded their assets in 2009...

                  The IRS reports that the highest wage in the bottom half of earners is about $34,000. To be eligible for food assistance, a family can earn up to 130% of the federal poverty line, or about $30,000 for a family of four...

                  Inequality is at its ugliest for the hungriest people. While food support was being targeted for cuts, just 20 rich Americans made as much from their 2012 investments as the entire 2012 SNAP (food assistance) budget, which serves 47 million people.
                  "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                  "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                  "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    I find the fact that US conservatives actually make this argument hilarious. I've quoted it several times to friends and family and they laugh at you guys every time without fail.
                    It should surprise us that you have weirdo friends and family?
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      IIRC the leading cause of disease among them can be linked to obesity.
                      Isn't that because it's a lot easier and quicker to get cheap unhealthy food than cheap healthy food?
                      Find my speling strange? I'm trying this out: Simplified Speling. Feel free to join me.

                      "Nature has placed mankind under the governance of two sovereign masters, pain and pleasure. It is for them alone to point out what we ought to do, as well as to determine what we shall do."-Jeremy Bentham

                      "We question all our beliefs, except for the ones that we really believe in, and those we never think to question."-Orson Scott Card

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by stfoskey15 View Post
                        Isn't that because it's a lot easier and quicker to get cheap unhealthy food than cheap healthy food?
                        That's a major factor though it's unclear how many people would eat healthy given the opportunity.
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          They're not Truly PoorTM in the minds of US Conservatives until they they are:
                          * homeless - no, that doesn't count because it's a "lifestyle choice" (I've really been told that in this forum)
                          * can't afford healthcare - no, that doesn't count because it was caused by their decision to buy an iphone, and them "poor life choices where they led unhealthy lifestyles that made them sick" (again in this forum)
                          * can't afford food - no, that doesn't count because one guy in this forum told me that when he was homeless in LA there were so many different churches offering meals to the 'poor' that he could have five good meals a day... and all of America treats their 'poor' as well as rich liberal LA does, so QED.
                          * have a low or no income - no, that doesn't count because they might have existing assets like a microwave that they might have got at a garage sale for $5, so not poor, QED.

                          So there are no Truly PoorTM people in the US, obviously.


                          Half of Americans below or near poverty line:
                          [For] Almost half of Americans... Their debt exceeded their assets in 2009...

                          The IRS reports that the highest wage in the bottom half of earners is about $34,000. To be eligible for food assistance, a family can earn up to 130% of the federal poverty line, or about $30,000 for a family of four...

                          Inequality is at its ugliest for the hungriest people. While food support was being targeted for cuts, just 20 rich Americans made as much from their 2012 investments as the entire 2012 SNAP (food assistance) budget, which serves 47 million people.
                          Americans below the poverty lines is somewhat of a joke here considering several studies have shown that a large percentage of them tend to live lifestyles in accordance to making roughly twice of what they claim to make. It's just extremely politically incorrect for the IRS to target those thought to be at the lower end of the income spectrum.

                          Personally, I know someone who owns a 5 bedroom house with an Olympic size swimming pool here as well as a condo in a gated community in Naples, Florida, both he and his wife drive Mercedes (when they aren't traveling in their RV) and brags of having a net worth of eight figures. He laughs of how since retiring four or five years ago he is officially listed as being poor because he no longer has any income.

                          The reason I bring him up is to illustrate how jacked up the definition for those in poverty is here when a one percenter can be considered as being poor and living in poverty..
                          Last edited by rogue06; 08-06-2017, 07:02 PM.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            So there are no Truly PoorTM people in the US, obviously.
                            Normally, arguments of yours are almost always crap!! Then when you lose you say something like this, which makes people wonder what you are burning with straw to make you so high and out of reality.
                            Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              So there are no Truly PoorTM people in the US, obviously.
                              There are certainly poor in the US, but the official poverty level does not come close to describing it (as I pointed out, as have other posters). The official percentage of poor families is pretty meaningless since it is so exaggerated.
                              Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                                There are certainly poor in the US, but the official poverty level does not come close to describing it (as I pointed out, as have other posters). The official percentage of poor families is pretty meaningless since it is so exaggerated.
                                That point is pretty obvious but for his purposes starlight wants to portray it as otherwise

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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