Why I took my creation web pages down

[grmorton]

In my life when I have withdrawn from public activities and been quiet for years, my life always changes as a result of those periods of reflection. This period of quiet has proven to be equally life changing. I apoligize to those who have contacted me to find out what happened, and I have not responded up to this point. This is what I was writing. I will not stick around for comments.

Why I took my web pages down
by Glenn R. Morton

Everyone knows I have spent decades on the Creation/Evolution issue. Everyone knows about my transition from a young-earth creationist to an evolutionist of the theistic variety. At some times in the past decade, I had a small measure of fame or infamy depending upon one's point of view. People hated me or liked me depending upon what they thought I added to their own personal agenda. I truly never cared what others thought.

On the morning of Oct 15, 2012, I deleted all my files from my web page. I had thought long and hard about this decision for several years. I own the copyright on every single page and I want none of them on anyone else's page and I will defend it. This note is to explain why I have done what I have done. And explain why I have left the C/E debate.

When I started the C/E area back in the 1970s, my goal was to find a defendable position on C/E one that matched the science and the Bible. Yes, I was a YEC, but even as a YEC my articles were critiques of YEC problems along with suggestions how to fix the problem. When I finally accepted the reality of evolution, I still couldn't accept that the Bible is inspired by God and it is a factually false but theologically true record. That position holds zero appeal for me as it forces me to treat God's word differently than I treat finding oil, or than I deal with any other area of life.

As it became known that I had 'converted' to evolution, the atheists and agnostics were thrilled to 'use' me to further their cause. I remember right after I let my change in view be known publically, telling Jim Lippard and Genie Scott on Talk.Origins, that I felt like I was now fighting on the wrong side. Genie of course, said I wasn't, but I still felt uncomfortable.

For a long time, I thought I could actually influence Christian thought. That simply isn't the case. Those Christians who accept evolution are all comfortable with making the account factually false and those who want it factually true make it false by tying it to YEC. Thus, there is no real benefit in trying to change what are extremely well entrenched positions.

But that wasn't why I pulled my web pages down. It was for freedom. Freedom is important, extremely important. Freedom means you have the freedom to be wrong, do wrong and think wrong thoughts. If I can't think, believe and do wrong because someone is there to force me to hold a particular opinion, then I am not free. If I must think believe and do what someone else tells me, I am not free. When I lived in my father's house, he fed me, clothed me, and gave me an allowance. What I didn't have was the freedom to do what he didn't want me to do. "While you live under my roof and eat my food, you will follow my rules", was the view of my dad. I was a teenager and I wasn't free. When I became an adult and provided for myself, I gained the freedom to think for myself and do for myself and that means I have the freedom to be wrong in my dad's eyes. That is what freedom at its heart is, the freedom to believe and do what I want even if everyone else thinks I am wrong, idiotic or dangerous, so long as it doesn't hurt anyone else.

For years I was in private email lists where the issues of creation/evolution were discussed. I watched with growing alarm at the morphing of those lists into anti-religion lists, with an authoritarian tinge. Religiously bigotted jokes were often put on the list. One could see the disdain, sneering comments and arrogant dislike of religion and people who were religious. When I complained about the anti-religious bigotry, in the form of those jokes etc, I was told that it wasn't religious bigotry. I was told that I should be understanding of their feelings. But the comments were bigotry, biased and mocking. By 2008, I withdrew from all those lists in disgust at the bigotry and conformance of thinking. Watching as an outsider then I became more alarmed at what I saw on the net from others who were on those lists. The religious bigotry of the anti-YEC movement and the growing power of those who insist that we all think alike, that we can't disagree on anything, that we all must walk, think and behave in utter boring conformity, became more and more obvious. I became concerned about this rush to suppress the YECs, the scheming to do harm to people I knew. I remember someone got a draft of a book by John Buell and they were scheming how to put an injunction on his book PRE-PUBLICATION. I started donating to John's organization in reaction. I came to understand that they didn't want to convert YECs via persuasion, they wanted to enforce anti-religion/anti-freedom views via dictate. I watched as it became acceptable in their eyes to obtain their result via raw political power enforced by courts and carried out by threats of jail and merely shouting down those with whom they disagree by piling on. And then, over the last couple of years, I began to see the anti-YEC movement as a small part of a larger movement to suppress religion itself. It is all of this that caused me to move away from former associations and take my web pages down.

One of the things that I have increasingly become concerned with in modern society is the push for conformity by the intellectual 'elite' all of whom think they are independent thinkers but all of whom think the same thing, and few of whom can tolerate dissent. There seems to be no independent thought allowed. The view that YEC must be crushed goes along with another disturbing trend, that modern science is no longer about finding truth, it is about conformity rather than a spirit of enquiry and challenge--everyone MUST believe global warming and all its dire consequences. It doesn't matter that the earth stopped warming in 1997 as the UK Met Office reveals in the latest HADCRUT data, one MUST still believe that it is still occurring . Indeed if you don't believe in Global Warming, those who proclaim themselves among the intellectual elite will claim that science says you are mentally ill. From the UK Daily Mail:

DailyMailUK: An Oregon University professor has controversially compared skepticism of global warming to racism. Sociology and environmental studies professor Kari Norgaard wrote a paper criticising non-believers, suggesting that doubters need to be have a ‘sickness’.
The professor, who holds a B.S. in biology and a master’s and PhD in sociology, argued that ‘cultural resistance’ to accepting humans as being responsible for climate change ‘must be recognised and treated’ as an aberrant sociological behaviour.

http://fellowshipofminds.wordpress.c...ism-to-racism/

Conform or be declared crazy. Resistance to conformity is now an 'aberrant sociological behavior.' Does a desire for freedom of thought count for anything anymore? This kind of treatment of dissenters extends to YECs and other groups disliked by the elites.

This paragraph will make everyone mad. The powers that be think that everyone MUST be forced to pay for contraception for the YES, slutty life style of Sandra Fluck who gave a speech at the Democratic convention bemoaning that we don't pay for her contraception. (Rush Limbaugh got in lots of trouble for saying she is a slut, yet it is Sandra who wants to live a life of sex where everyone else pays to keep her from getting pregnant). Why must I as a Christian, who thinks such behavior abysmal, sinful and self destructive pay for her to have sexcapades without consequences? Why must my taxes be used to support what I view as her responsibility? Why does she have a right to pick the money in my pocket when she didn't earn it? But, it seems, if you question this simple fact in today's world, everyone will cluck their tongues at you, making you out to be the evil one. Why is it that they think that everyone MUST be forced to believe that what Sandra does is OK AND PAY FOR HER TO HAVE PLEASURE WITHOUT WORRY FOR THE CONSEQUENCES???? She can do what she wants, but don't ask me to pay for it and don't force me to approve of her behavior. The modern political left, and make no doubt, most anti-YEC folk are from the political left, want to enforce their conformity upon us because we can not be allowed to actually have an independent view of Sandra Fluck's behavior or anything else, including anything they deem to be wrong. That is not to be allowed. Enforced conformity is what they want. I must smile while I give Sandra my money to pay for her sexcapades.

Consider what the political left is doing in forcing the Catholic Church to do to pay for abortions (an abhorrent thing to them) and pay for birth control (an abhorrent thing for conservative Catholics) in their hospitals and organizations they control. The Catholics can not be trusted to have the freedom to decide for themselves how to manage their hospitals. No, the Catholics aren't considered smart enough to make their own decisions. Only the religiously bigoted atheist is capable of telling the Catholics what they need to do. While I do not agree at all with Catholic doctrine, views on birth control or many other things Catholic, I will stand by them for their right to do what they want to do. It should be their freedom, but unfortunately a group of Christophobes think the Catholics don't deserve freedom.

Catholics should have the freedom to be 'wrong' ('wrong' defined as disagreeing with my personal views.) What right do I have to tell them they must behave as I might want them to? What right do you have to force them to your views via your politicians and threats of jail? Why is it that you won't allow them to have the freedom to do what they see fit in their own eyes. Is freedom so bad?

The President and owner of Chick-Fila is not to be allowed by these religious bigots to have a different view from what is the officially declared and approved thought lines. The bullied gays of yesterday have become the bullies of today. http://commonamericanjournal.com/?p=48592. The president of Chic-Fil-A is not allowed to have freedom of speech or religon if that speech or religion offends the sensitivities of the elitists who think they have a right to hector everyone into their boring conformity.

These same elites will not grant the religious the courtesy and right to put up monuments in the public square. They are trying to force everyone to grant them and them alone the right to exercise their beliefs in the public square. These radical atheists are using the power of the public square to ensure the success of THEIR THEOLOGICAL VIEWS, and make no mistake, atheism is a theological view and they can no more prove there isn't a god than I can prove there is one. Both are theological views, but only theirs is allowed to be exercised in the public square.

Given how often atheists are suing to remove crosses, one would think they are all Vampires and can't stand the sight of a cross! Their delicate psyche's will shatter at the mere sight of two boards nailed at right angles. Atheists sue to remove War Memorial crosses because somehow, they can't countenance the freedom for others to put up crosses. These atheists are anti-democratic, anti-freedom, religiously bigoted and authoritarian

http://observer.com/2011/07/atheists...f-steel-cross/
http://www.therightscoop.com/atheist...-war-memorial/
http://aclj.org/RadioPlayer/atheists...-statue/Player
http://www.christianpost.com/news/r-...e-cross-79471/

Christian groups are told that they must allow atheists to be their president, meaning Christian groups no longer have the freedom of association the constitution guarantees us. All the leftists will leave us in the end, is the right to hold differing views totally unexpressed and held tight inside our heads. We are not to be left with any of the universal human rights, they so hypocritically speak of. http://www.sodahead.com/united-state...stion-3223225/

The Justice department argued before the Supreme court that the government had to right to restore a minister fired by a church. http://www.frc.org/op-eds/kagan-balk...-over-churches The Left wants a separation of church from State, unless the State gets to hire and fire the preachers; then it is ok for State to be involved in religion.

Cheerleaders are not to be allowed the freedom to write Bible verses on signs without drawing a lawsuit from these religious bigots. The girls were merely exercising their religion, something our constitution guarantees but religious bigots won't tolerate. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/14/us...anted=all&_r=0

I watched the leftist party vote 3 times to drop God and Jerusalem and then watched their leaders steal that election on national TV and everyone knows that election was stolen. but then I watched delegates of the convention saying church goers weren't welcome in their party. http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...dnecks/56564/# .

What kind of religious bigotry and Christophobia drives these authoritarian atheists? Why can't they allow us to have our freedom? What kind of anger drives them to deny others the rights they want for themselves? Why don't they believe in live and let live? Why must they proclaim themselves the arbitors of what is acceptable? They condemn the video which was erroneously claimed to be the cause of the Libya attack but don't condemn the Broadway play, Book of Mormon, or a crucifix put in urine and claimed to be art. This latter used my tax dollars to support him and the National Endowment of the Arts gave him money. Why do you think I should be forced to financially support your war on my religion? How arrogant are you?

I began to see these events as part of a pattern as an attack on my religion and my freedom. I do not want to leave my grandchildren less religiously free than I was when I was born, and my fear is that my stuff is being used to destroy my religion. That, I can not brook.

As I watch the religious bigots on the left praise a play in New York making fun of the Book of Mormon. They seem to think it is ok to engage in this piece of religious bigotry for election reasons. I hear tell of phone calls made to Catholics and evangelicals asking them how can they vote for a Mormon? Such things are nothing but religious bigotry. It is part of a war on religion that is taking place in this country. I think Mormonism is quite wrong, factually and theologically speaking. But we can debate it with them rather than mock them. And there is little doubt in my mind that the reason this play was put on this year was because a Mormon was likely to be the candidate for president. While I don't agree with Mormonism, I will stand by them to defend their freedom to be 'wrong'. Neither you nor I have no right to engage in religious bigotry.

My main client is a Mormon. He and I have discussed his religion and he knows I don't share his views, but he is one of the most moral, hard working and considerate young engineers I have ever met. Why do people think it is ok to ridicule his beliefs? Debate them, yes, ridicule them? no. Does it make these ridiculers feel superior? Mormons are the only group in American history who had a bounty placed upon them to be shot on sight. Now THAT is the end result of religious bigotry. And yes, it was Christians who engaged in religious bigotry against them in the 19th centure. But why should that justify YOUR religious bigotry today?
Doesn't the Mormon have a right to disagree with you, just as you have a right to disagree with him, and I with you? Doesn't my client have a right to teach his children whatever he wants? Shouldn't a Mormon community have the freedom to have the schools they are taxed for teach what the majority wants taught? Have we truly turned the page in this country and majority rule no longer applies?

Consider what the religious bigots are doing with regard to YEC. Everyone MUST be forced to believe evolution; YEC parents should NOT be allowed to teach YEC to anyone or, so they say, the entire scientific edifice will fall. To me this is where the rub is. One of the most disturbing things to me is that I watched the anti-yec folk use the courts to suppress the rights of YEC parents to have any influence in their schools, which in my view made YEC parents second class citizens. The YEC parents were expected to pay their taxes to support the public schools which taught their children things they didn't want taught to them. The YEC parents were to have no freedom in this; money could be forcibly extracted from them, but the product offered their children in the public schools would not be acceptable to them. No freedom was granted to the YECs to be wrong. Their only choice was to leave the public school system and get the privilege of paying twice for their children's education, once for the public schools they are forcibly taxed to pay for, and then secondly for the private school they sent their kids to so they can have the freedom to teach what they want. I will stand with YEC parents for their rights to actually get value for the wasted tax dollars they are forced to send to the public schools who won't give them the slightest bit of freedom or say in how their money is used.

No one should doubt my view of YEC is still extremely dim. YEC is factually wrong, and I think, a detriment to my religion. But I will stand with them for their God given right to believe and teach what they want to teach. I do not want a totalitarian government in which no one is allowed to differ from the bland enforced conformity offered by the leftists in this country. In my opinion, parents should have the freedom to teach their kids whatever nonsense they want to teach their children. And if a majority want to teach their kids YEC or that the Martians are living amongst us, they should have that freedom. And if you object that this will make those children less able to compete in a world, that may be true, but it is irrelevant. It isn't your job to ensure their kids are competitive.
Consider this weird belief:

Some black supremacists justify supremacist assertions by assigning dubious properties to melanin based on pseudo-science and distortions of scientific fact or speculation. This body of belief is known generally as "Melanin theory". The central idea of the Melanin theory is that the levels of melanin in dark skin naturally enhance intelligence and emotional, psychic and spiritual sensitivity" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_supremacy

I think this is nuts, but I will stand by them to fight for their freedom to teach their children such things, and yes, I will stand by them that if a majority of people in a school district want to teach that in the schools, they should be allowed to do it. If a group of people with the above beliefs or YEC beliefs want to make their children less competitive in society, why should I stand in their way. Let them teach whatever nonsense they want to teach.

Freedom means having the freedom to do what you want. And Freedom means that a majority should decide what happens. We used believe in majority rule. Now we believe that only a bunch of self proclaimed scientific elites should be able to decide what is best for us. Minority rule. The religious bigots and the anti-yec movement think they should get to decide what is taught to other people's children. It doesn't matter if 100% of the parents want something else taught, majority doesn't rule. The minority rules; the outsider to the community rules, the self-appointed elites who think they know how to run everyone else's life. It ain't any of your business to tell others what should be taught. It is totalitarian to say that only a minority get to decide what others can teach in public schools.

Unfortunately so many in the anti-YEC movement, have the arrogance to think that they know how best to run everyone else's life. They insist on conformity of thought and only allow what they approve of. For those on that side of the fence, you are not smart enough to know how to live your own life, much less mine or the YECs or the Black supremacist who thinks melanin makes him more intelligent. Leave us alone! Quit being a nanny. You are as bad as any mullah in demanding thought control. You are as intolerant as any of the religious people who you dislike.

I strongly disagree with YEC, but I will be dam--d if I will be part of an attack on my religion in which I am forced to teach my kids and grandkids things against my values. I will be dam--d if I will stand by while YEC parents are deprived of their civil rights. I will be dam--d if I will stand by while Catholics are forced to pay for abortions and contraception against their religion. I will be dam--d if I will stand by while the religious bigotry of the political left thinks it is ok to mock Mormons, or Christians, when they have ZERO GUTS to mock Muslims. These people are incredible cowards and will only mock those who will not behead them.

As our country has sunk further into this crisis, and the Left has ratcheted up its attack on religion, I have come to the considered conclusion that we all need to stop telling others how to live, what to teach their kids, what they can or can't do. We all need to get our hands out of our neighbor's pockets. We are a nation of nannies and ninnies, all of whom, know how to live other people's lives better than they know how to live them. And we are a nation of thieves who use our congressmen to steal our neighbor's money to use as we see fit--see Sandra Fluck above. The government went to bat first to teach sex ed against the wishes of the parents--every child MUST be taught things they can not emotionally handle because the educators know best (and yet pregnancies rose). They then worked to stop teaching YEC in public schools, because everyone MUST believe in evolution. Now they are forcing churches to pay for abortions and contraception when it is against their belief system because everyone MUST be forced to believe in abortion and a sexually promiscuous life. And now we are forced to buy health insurance because the leftists know best for us. If we don't stand up for the freedom of YEC parents to teach nonsense to their kids, then when the government comes to take away our freedom none will be there to defend us. Anti-yec bigot, look long into the mirror and ask yourself if you want others to force you to live in ways you don't want to? Cease being a nanny/ninnie.

And this gets to why I am going to take my pages down. I no longer want to play an witting or unwitting accomplice to the religious bigots who are after the destruction of my religion. I believe in freedom and freedom means the right to be wrong, believe wrong things, and yes, even do wrong things. And the right to do almost all those things in the open no matter that I am at a school, courthouse or other government office, or in office. I will NOT be a part of the attack on my religion which is happening all throughout this land.

I am reminded of a story from history found on Wiki on Laissez faire:

According to historical legend, the phrase stems from a meeting in about 1680 between the powerful French finance minister Jean-Baptiste Colbert and a group of French businessmen led by a certain M. Le Gendre. When the eager mercantilist minister asked how the French state could be of service to the merchants and help promote their commerce, Le Gendre replied simply "Laissez-nous faire" ("Leave us be")

That is my feeling. I no longer want to worry about what a YEC believes. I no longer wish to be used to destroy my religion. The American Indians lost because the tribes hated each other more than the English and they couldn't join together to beat them. The Scots lost to the English for the same reason. I do not intend to make the same mistake with the atheist war on religion. It doesn't matter one whit that someone is a YEC and I am not, it does not matter a whit if I am protestant and someone else is Catholic, or Mormon. I urge all religious peoples to cease bickering about such trifles, when the wolf is at our door. We are in danger of losing our religious freedom, I will NOT argue inconsequential stuff with my co-religionists, ignoring the real danger to our religion, you, the religious bigot and Christophobe. YEC is a trifle; a mere philosophical debate. Freedom is dear; and you, the religious bigot, are a danger to my freedom.

[lao tzu]

I will not stick around for comments.

Probably just as well.

[pancreasman]

At the risk of appearing uncharitable, who cares?

[Raphael]

At the risk of appearing uncharitable, who cares?

A number of us who are GRMorton's friends (even though I disagree with him on the YEC position...afterall I am a YEC) do care.



Glenn, I know you probably won't be checking back here, but I just wanted to let you know I've been keeping you in my prayers a lot lately and I hope you're health is improving .

[pancreasman]

A number of us who are GRMorton's friends (even though I disagree with him on the YEC position...afterall I am a YEC) do care.



Glenn, I know you probably won't be checking back here, but I just wanted to let you know I've been keeping you in my prayers a lot lately and I hope you're health is improving .

Well, yes, on a personal level I'm sure that's true. In the grand scheme of things however I think we might all have a tendency to over-estimate the impact of our presence on cultural debates.

[KingsGambit]

Well, yes, on a personal level I'm sure that's true. In the grand scheme of things however I think we might all have a tendency to over-estimate the impact of our presence on cultural debates.

For what it's worth, his pages probably had a fairly significant online presence in the debate. I was aware of who Morton was and what he believed well before I was active on TWeb. Having said that, the specific brand of TE he advocates is probably an extreme minority view within the TE community.

[pancreasman]

For what it's worth, his pages probably had a fairly significant online presence in the debate. I was aware of who Morton was and what he believed well before I was active on TWeb. Having said that, the specific brand of TE he advocates is probably an extreme minority view within the TE community.

I know. I'm just saying. The huge font and the diatribe against the evil left together with a promise not to return looks like a 'flounce' to me. I ought to know, I've done it myself.

[Raphael]

I know. I'm just saying. The huge font and the diatribe against the evil left together with a promise not to return looks like a 'flounce' to me. I ought to know, I've done it myself.

Glenn's been going months between posts lately, he started a new company recently and he's got cancer. So I would't call it a flounce post. He basically means he isn't going to be back anytime too soon to check on it. This is his 5th post since February.

[pancreasman]

Glenn's been going months between posts lately, he started a new company recently and he's got cancer. So I would't call it a flounce post. He basically means he isn't going to be back anytime too soon to check on it. This is his 5th post since February.

Yep, all of which I know.

[Epoetker]

Freedom of association has been repealed since about 1965. It's not just Glenn Morton who suffers for it, it's people like James Watson, Satoshi Kanazawa, and J. Phillipe Rushton.

Atheism as practiced by the New school is against any truth that makes life uncomfortable. They want people to believe in evolution but not promote a rigorous public understanding of how evolution works in the present and in recent history.

This is why they're utterly useless against encroaching liberal bullies, and usually make common cause with them.

[Epoetker]

And for a further list of those blacklisted by the Party Line, I offer you this:

Bring Low the Enemy of Mulitculturalism

Those Who Can See is fast becoming my blog of choice.

As far as YECism goes, I worry less about its influence than I worry about the pernicious effect of evolutionary stories on all other types of thought. From an atheist economist:

Without taking too many liberties (and simplifying things down a lot) the average non-economist American liberal is more prone to believe in a watered down Keynesian version of economics that goes something like this -

"Productivity doesn't matter, activity matters - any activity. As long as there is some kind of economic activity, specifically transactions and things are 'movin' around' inevitably the economy will grow. If there isn't enough sloshing around in the economic primordial goo or "Great Liberal Economic Oort Cloud," government can come in and with ANY kind of stimulus, shake things up a bit, and boom, we're magically back to economic growth."

Again, I'm not saying I agree with this, but I think we can all agree this is more or less what the average, non-economist American liberal has in terms of an economic model or understanding of how the economy works (and intellectually honest liberals will admit this).

The thought pattern that thinks this way about economics is the thought pattern that thinks this way about the origin of life. This is the vision of things that the average New Atheist (i.e., one who receives atheism unleavened by any deep immersion in the culture or long experience of religion in life, and considers Dawkins, Dennet, Harris, PZ Myers, and their ilk as gospel instead of guides toward their own life path following a crisis of faith.) This permanent revolutionary vision of oneself based on a shared and cramped abstract agreement produces precisely the opposite of reliable peer review.

"Productivity doesn't matter...activity matters, any activity!"

(Our scientific research papers become more and more irrelevant, plagirized, overlong, and meant to spend government money one year to guarantee it another.)

"As long as there is some kind of economic activity, specifically transactions and things are 'movin' around' inevitably the economy will grow!"

(Collusion with those in government who share our philosophy, quite apart from the truth or efficiacy of anything that federal money produces, is perfectly fine! Solyndra is just another form of activity! Ethanol is a perfectly valid form of fuel! I don't know what "crony capitalism" even means! All i know is powerful people pay me to do things, and this stimulates the economy, right?)

"If there isn't enough sloshing around in the economic primordial goo or "Great Liberal Economic Oort Cloud," government can come in and with ANY kind of stimulus, shake things up a bit, and boom, we're magically back to economic growth."

(It's just chemicals, man! Add energy to chemicals, things happen! Anything! Even life! Fight whoever opposes you in whatever way you think is best! Spend whatever you need to destroy their so-called lives! It's their fault for failing! Everything will all work out in the end! You're doing the right thing by NOT asking if something is right before doing it! Evolution will somehow work it out anyway!)

[pancreasman]

Whenever loonies agree with me I am forced to critically examine my thinking.

[Dee Dee Warren]

Glenn that was an excellent post. Bringing out a ghost from the past, I think some of what you said is what made Socrates so nasty-- he saw that many non-YEC Christians were being used in the way you described. Now of course, he was nasty for other reasons as well, he sincerely believed that non-YEC is the destruction of Christianity, but what you pointed out I think is something that drives the diatribes of the Jorges and Socrates.... even if they don't know it.

I think what you did and posted was very brave.

If I were you, let any negative comments roll off your back as if you were the AFLAC duck.

[FLovell]

Glenn, my now having read and thought about what you have explained above, I want to say that I understand.

Except I DON'T understand. But that's OK, it is not important that I understand; what is important is that you do for your own self whatever makes the most genuine good sense to you regardless of what any others think (after all, that is just exactly what I do for my own self).

Although I am a public atheist (of the agnostic variety, a number 6 on the Dawkins 1-7 scale), and I try hard to explain to those who are interested what and why I do and don't believe what I do and don't believe; but if I EVER said or did ANYthing that somehow even REMOTELY threatened to "destroy [your] religion," I apologize Glenn, I sure didn't do so with aware intention of destroying anything that works for anyone (not even for YECists if it works for them -- I have only wanted those who reject the natural evolutionary diversification of life on an ancient Earth to first at least learn and understand what it is they reject, and to keep supernatural creationism out of public school SCIENCE classrooms), I have all my life been openly explicitly ALL FOR genuine religious liberty for all.

I wish only PEACE and freedom for you (and me, and EVERYone), Glenn! -- Frank

[USIncognito]

I don't agree with everything Glenn has written in the OP, but I do appreciate him taking the time to write it and share it with TWeb.

I'll miss quite a number of pages from his website, especially the entire geologic column in North Dakota one.