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CRISPR - First Human Embryos 'Edited' in U.S.

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
    It'd be all but impossible, as there are basically no genetic differences between caucasians, jews and blacks. All the genes in one gene pool, exist in any other gene pool. At best there's some mutations that are more common amongst certain ethnicities, but that's about it. Any attempt at creating such a virus would come back to hurt the one who launched it.

    The lack of any significant genetic difference other than what is expected family relatedness, is one of many reasons that the concept of race as a biological reality is dead.
    There are specific genetic traits in various races, otherwise we would all look alike. But even scarier would be being able to target the specific DNA of an individual for assassination purposes.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      There are specific genetic traits in various races, otherwise we would all look alike.
      This is actually false, though I'll see if I can find you the studies tomorrow. Basically it is impossible to draw a line around any ethnic group another, without genetic overlap. While its possible for certain rare mutations to exist much more frequently in one group, its still only a few genes. What we look like is caused by a complex interaction between many genes, and those are shared amongst all.

      Race is almost entirely a social construct. It has no objective reality. Are there people with darker skin? Yes, but that is no more surprising to modern day biology than the fact there exists a family of all gingers. Its just neutral drift caused by long term isolation.

      But even scarier would be being able to target the specific DNA of an individual for assassination purposes.
      That's much more plausible! And there are ways to wreck havoc on a person in such a way that they'd die many months later, so that it would be difficult to know who was the cause of it.

      Personally though I think we'll see a lot of positive aspects of CRISPR, though its a difficult technology. Apparently there's a lot of side effect mutations. While they specifically change one gene a certain way, many others are also mutated. Apparently though this doesn't have as much of an effect as we could fear, as the majority of the human DNA is useless junk without function or purpose.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
        This is actually false, though I'll see if I can find you the studies tomorrow. Basically it is impossible to draw a line around any ethnic group another, without genetic overlap. While its possible for certain rare mutations to exist much more frequently in one group, its still only a few genes. What we look like is caused by a complex interaction between many genes, and those are shared amongst all.

        Race is almost entirely a social construct. It has no objective reality. Are there people with darker skin? Yes, but that is no more surprising to modern day biology than the fact there exists a family of all gingers. Its just neutral drift caused by long term isolation.



        That's much more plausible! And there are ways to wreck havoc on a person in such a way that they'd die many months later, so that it would be difficult to know who was the cause of it.

        Personally though I think we'll see a lot of positive aspects of CRISPR, though its a difficult technology. Apparently there's a lot of side effect mutations. While they specifically change one gene a certain way, many others are also mutated. Apparently though this doesn't have as much of an effect as we could fear, as the majority of the human DNA is useless junk without function or purpose.
        from what I read, CRISPR is to DNA basically what "search and replace" is for word processors. You can search for specific genes and either eliminate them, or replace them with other genes. Kinda like an artificial virus.

        I think this technology will change society, for good and bad, forever. You can't put the genie back in the bottle.

        edited to fix error.
        Last edited by Sparko; 08-03-2017, 01:29 PM.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          You can't put the genie back in the bible.
          What strange heresy is this?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            from what I read, CRISPR is to DNA basically what "search and replace" is for word processors. You can search for specific genes and either eliminate them, or replace them with other genes. Kinda like an artificial virus.

            I think this technology will change society, for good and bad, forever. You can't put the genie back in the bible.
            Pretty much, though the last I've heard they discovered it makes errors on occasion. You have high precision in targetting a particular mutation you want to cause, but it also changes other things accidentally.

            I'll try to get some links, but right now I'm a bit bushed. Got home from my new job, working at a company called Launch-It (the one in Aarhus). Its a great place, and I thank god for having a job again.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
              What strange heresy is this?
              lol. fingers doing the typing instead of the head. bottle. edited and fixed.

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                lol. fingers doing the typing instead of the head. bottle. edited and fixed.
                That's what every heretic says.
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                  That's what every heretic says.
                  Ok, I admit it. I think God is a genie and he used CRISPR to design human beings from lemurs.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                    I would think where they replaced the gene would make it a weaker bond in the chromosome, making it more susceptible to other maladies. For example, fixing diabetes could end up increasing pancreatic cancer if the chromosome mutates at the weakened genetic area. It could also get passed on, and in a few generations, mutate to something deadly for the humans that inherit it.
                    Is there an actual scientific basis for this weaker bond concept? This sounds really made up.
                    I'm not here anymore.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                      Is there an actual scientific basis for this weaker bond concept? This sounds really made up.
                      I doubt if that is anything real.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                        Is there an actual scientific basis for this weaker bond concept? This sounds really made up.
                        Nah. Just me trying to wrap my head around removing a portion of a strand and replacing it with no loss of integrity. Anything I have spliced over the years has been weaker at the splice.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                          Nah. Just me trying to wrap my head around removing a portion of a strand and replacing it with no loss of integrity. Anything I have spliced over the years has been weaker at the splice.
                          DNA isn't like rope. It doesn't get weaker if you separate and reattach it. It's more like Lego than hemp.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                            Nah. Just me trying to wrap my head around removing a portion of a strand and replacing it with no loss of integrity. Anything I have spliced over the years has been weaker at the splice.
                            The spliced DNA will be replicated soon enough.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Carrikature View Post
                              Is there an actual scientific basis for this weaker bond concept? This sounds really made up.
                              Exactly. I don't think it works that way. Not even remotely.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                                Pretty much, though the last I've heard they discovered it makes errors on occasion. You have high precision in targetting a particular mutation you want to cause, but it also changes other things accidentally.
                                Yeah, that's my worry - there's oodles of room for unintended consequences.
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