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  • Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
    So what’s the non-emotional, rational argument in favour of the alt-right’s unabashedly white nationalist views and Richard Spencer’s fantasies about a white ethno-state and the calling for mass deportation and ethnic cleansing for Jews and people of colour?

    The photos from Charlottesville show Confederate flags, Nazi insignia, and militia members with guns. David Duke was there. The alt-right has never shed its association with older fascist and white-supremacist ideas and movements. . This seems to be a good thing to your mind
    What makes you think I'm in favor of any of that? The term "alt-right", which is short for "alternative right" is your clue that they do not represent mainstream conservative thought. You can't as easily separate mainstream liberalism from the social justice warriors and other expressions of socialism.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      What makes you think I'm in favor of any of that? The term "alt-right", which is short for "alternative right" is your clue that they do not represent mainstream conservative thought. You can't as easily separate mainstream liberalism from the social justice warriors and other expressions of socialism.
      What makes me think you're in favour of that is your relentless support for the Alt-Right and Breitbart.

      The Alt Right (or “alternative right" if you prefer) encompasses a range of people on the extreme right, who reject mainstream conservatism in favour of forms of conservatism that embrace implicit or explicit racism or white supremacy...as we saw in Charlottsville. And Breitbart, your bible, was declared "the platform for the alt-right" in 2016 by Steve Bannon former editor of Breitbart and, Trump’s strategic adviser.

      The violent and murderous Charlottesville rally over the weekend was organized by the Alt-Right and no amount of pathetic pivoting to liberal protestors can alter the fact that the Alt-Right is wholly responsible for the social carnage.
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        The violent and murderous Charlottesville rally over the weekend was organized by the Alt-Right and no amount of pathetic pivoting to liberal protestors can alter the fact that the Alt-Right is wholly responsible for the social carnage.
        NO! The individuals on BOTH sides who CHOSE to be violent are solely responsible. I'll bet you're the type that blames a woman's attire for her getting ogled.
        That's what
        - She

        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
        - Stephen R. Donaldson

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        • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
          NO! The individuals on BOTH sides who CHOSE to be violent are solely responsible.
          You are not making that point in response to those blaming only the left because...?
          Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

          MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
          MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

          seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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          • Originally posted by Roy View Post
            You are not making that point in response to those blaming only the left because...?
            I'm making that point to ANYONE who blames anyone other than those who choose to act violently.
            That's what
            - She

            Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
            - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

            I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
            - Stephen R. Donaldson

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            • Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
              What makes me think you're in favour of that is your relentless support for the Alt-Right and Breitbart.
              The reason nobody takes you seriously on this point is because you use "alt-right" not as an accurate description but as a largely meaningless pejorative against anything that is slightly to the right of your own bigoted left-wing ideology.

              Yes, Steven Bannon did once say that Breitbart was "the platform of the alt-right", but as with anything, context is important.

              Source: Mother Jones

              Trump’s new campaign chief denies that the alt-right is inherently racist. He describes its ideology as “nationalist,” though not necessarily white nationalist. Likening its approach to that of European nationalist parties such as France’s National Front, he says, “If you look at the identity movements over there in Europe, I think a lot of [them] are really ‘Polish identity’ or ‘German identity,’ not racial identity. It’s more identity toward a nation-state or their people as a nation.”

              http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...reitbart-news/

              © Copyright Original Source


              Of course that was before the left embraced the term and attached to it every hateful ideology they could think of, including those that have their roots in liberalism.

              Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
              The violent and murderous Charlottesville rally over the weekend was organized by the Alt-Right and no amount of pathetic pivoting to liberal protestors can alter the fact that the Alt-Right is wholly responsible for the social carnage.
              It wasn't just the so-called "alt-right" who perpetrated the violence. As President Donald J. Trump wisely said, "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides. On many sides." Furthermore, there are reports that the local police exasperated the situation by pushing the opposing groups of protestors together and then refusing to intervene when things became violent.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                The reason nobody takes you seriously on this point is because you use "alt-right" not as an accurate description but as a largely meaningless pejorative against anything that is slightly to the right of your own bigoted left-wing ideology.

                Yes, Steven Bannon did once say that Breitbart was "the platform of the alt-right", but as with anything, context is important.

                Source: Mother Jones

                Trump’s new campaign chief denies that the alt-right is inherently racist. He describes its ideology as “nationalist,” though not necessarily white nationalist. Likening its approach to that of European nationalist parties such as France’s National Front, he says, “If you look at the identity movements over there in Europe, I think a lot of [them] are really ‘Polish identity’ or ‘German identity,’ not racial identity. It’s more identity toward a nation-state or their people as a nation.”

                http://www.motherjones.com/politics/...reitbart-news/

                © Copyright Original Source

                Your link goes on to say: “With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [technology editor Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers.”

                It wasn't just the so-called "alt-right" who perpetrated the violence. As President Donald J. Trump wisely said, "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry, and violence on many sides. On many sides." Furthermore, there are reports that the local police exasperated the situation by pushing the opposing groups of protestors together and then refusing to intervene when things became violent.
                There’s nothing “wise” about the morally degenerate Tweeter in chief. He demonstrates daily that he’s unfit for office...and never more so than today with his train-wreck of a news conference in Trump Tower. The hateful White Supremacist, Anti-Semitic rhetoric was initiated by the Alt-Right, with their Swastikas and Confederate flags. This is what incited the violence. To use schoolyard jargon: "They started it".
                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  Your link goes on to say: “With Bannon embracing Trump, all that changed. Now Breitbart has become the alt-right go-to website, with [technology editor Milo] Yiannopoulos pushing white ethno-nationalism as a legitimate response to political correctness, and the comment section turning into a cesspool for white supremacist mememakers.”



                  There’s nothing “wise” about the morally degenerate Tweeter in chief. He demonstrates daily that he’s unfit for office...and never more so than today with his train-wreck of a news conference in Trump Tower. The hateful White Supremacist, Anti-Semitic rhetoric was initiated by the Alt-Right, with their Swastikas and Confederate flags. This is what incited the violence. To use schoolyard jargon: "They started it".
                  They had mean flags!!!!
                  That's what
                  - She

                  Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                  - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                  I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                  - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                  • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                    They had mean flags!!!!
                    ... isn't seer upset about some red flags from the counter protestors?

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                    • Originally posted by EvoUK View Post
                      ... isn't seer upset about some red flags from the counter protestors?
                      But is he "incited" to violence?
                      That's what
                      - She

                      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                      - Stephen R. Donaldson

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                      • Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                        Your link goes on to say...
                        I only care about Bannon's actual words and the context in which they were said. I don't give a crap about the partisan spin applied by Mother Jones.

                        Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                        There’s nothing “wise” about the morally degenerate Tweeter in chief. He demonstrates daily that he’s unfit for office...and never more so than today with his train-wreck of a news conference in Trump Tower. The hateful White Supremacist, Anti-Semitic rhetoric was initiated by the Alt-Right, with their Swastikas and Confederate flags. This is what incited the violence. To use schoolyard jargon: "They started it".
                        So rightly condemning the violence "on many sides" and then, after the facts were known, explicitly condemning certain groups by name proves that Trump is unfit for office?

                        Yeah, OK.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • Well now... it seems some researchers at Harvard and MIT took a look at Breitbart and came to some surprising conclusions... at least it will be surprising to low-info liberals who gullibly swallow everything fed to them by the mainstream media:

                          Source: New York Times

                          The last thing [Professor] Yochai Benkler noted before I left his office at Harvard was that his team had performed a textual analysis of all the stories in their database, and they found a surprising result. ‘‘One thing that came out very clearly from our study is that Breitbart is not talking about these issues in the same way you would find on the extreme right,’’ he said. ‘‘They don’t use the same language you find on sites like VDARE and The Daily Stormer’’ — two sites connected to the white-nationalist alt-right movement. He paused for a moment, then added: ‘‘Breitbart is not the alt-right.’(Emphasis mine. -MM)

                          ...

                          On any given afternoon, you were still likely to encounter headlines about ‘‘illegal aliens’’ invading the country, but if you clicked on the link, you landed on an article that was extraordinarily dry — usually just a rundown of some politician’s speech, or a dry recitation of governmental statistics. Not to say the site was no longer right wing — the act of choosing what to cover and how to position it with a headline is a powerful bias unto itself — but weeks could pass in which few of the articles on Breitbart had anything like the attitude and opinion baked into dozens of mainstream sites.

                          https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/16/m...rref=undefined

                          © Copyright Original Source

                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post

                            So rightly condemning the violence "on many sides" and then, after the facts were known, explicitly condemning certain groups by name proves that Trump is unfit for office?

                            Yeah, OK.
                            After the murder of five Dallas police officers in 2016 by Micah Xavier Johnson, who had said that he was upset about Black Lives Matter and wanted to kill white people, especially police officers, didn't Obama say that we shouldn't jump to any conclusions?

                            After a Bernie Sanders campaign worker James Hodgkinson, who had a hit list of Republicans belonging to the Freedom Caucus and asked if the people playing baseball were Republicans or Democrats before opening fire on them, didn't Democrat leaders say that we should oppose violence from all sides -- much in the manner that Trump did?

                            I'm always still in trouble again

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                            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              I only care about Bannon's actual words and the context in which they were said. I don't give a crap about the partisan spin applied by Mother Jones.
                              I understand. You're only interested in what supports your Alt-Right agenda. I think most here realise this.
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                              • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                                They had mean flags!!!
                                So flags and what they represent, are not important to you. Really! So you would not be angry if you saw the Stars and Stripes being deliberately defiled.
                                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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