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  • #16
    Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
    And BB Warfield? Kirk gave you 2 examples, one from the theological side, one as a scientist. Both respected in their field and professing Christians.

    Jim
    Go ahead, pull out any name you want. Do you really think that just because an individual is a "world-class theologian" that makes him (or her) infallible in all matters? If you do then you must retake Basic Logic.

    Warfield, Craig, Graham, Lewis, Augustine -- any name you want -- they all have/had many things right, perhaps even most things, but they did not have everything right. In particular, once they capitulate on Evolution they have introduced a very potent 'Malware' into their theology - they simply don't see it nor understand why.

    Jorge

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    • #17
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      And for those who don't care about what highly respected theologians said about evolution, here is a list of some noted scientists who are theistic evolutionists:
      • Denis Alexander, molecular immunologist and Emeritus Director of The Faraday Institute for Science and Religion at St. Edmund’s College, Cambridge, where he is a Fellow
      • Francisco J. Ayala, the biologist and philosopher, former Dominican priest and President and Chairman of the Board of the American Association for the Advancement of Science
      • Robert Bakker, the paleontologist and minister known for his revolutionary ideas concerning dinosaurs
      • John D. Barrow, the cosmologist, theoretical physicist, and mathematician and current Research Professor of Mathematical Sciences at the University of Cambridge.
      • Robert James "Sam" Berry, British geneticist and member of Royal Society of Edinburgh and Royal Society of Biology, former President of the Linnean Society who has served as a lay member of the Church of England's General Synod and president of Christians in Science
      • Warren S. Brown, Director of the Lee Edward Travis Research Institute and Professor of Psychology at the Fuller Theological Seminary
      • Joan Centrella, astrophysicist at NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center, where she heads the Gravitational Astrophysics Laboratory, and Fellow of the American Physical Society
      • Alasdair Coles, Professor of Neuroimmunology, consultant neurologist to Addenbrooke’s and Hinchingbrooke Hospitals, and an Anglican priest at St Andrews Church, Cambridge
      • Francis Collins, the geneticist who headed the Human Genome Project and is director of the National Institutes of Health (NIH)
      • Theodosius Dobzhansky, the geneticist and biologist who was a key figure in the development of the evolutionary synthesis
      • Joel Duff, professor of biology at the University of Akron in Ohio
      • George Francis Rayner Ellis, a cosmologist who is Emeritus Distinguished Professor of Complex Systems in the Department of Mathematics and Applied Mathematics at the University of Cape Town, South Africa
      • Darrel R. Falk, Professor Emeritus of Biology at Point Loma Nazarene University and past president and current senior advisor with the BioLogos Foundation
      • Keith R Fox, Professor of Biochemistry at the University of Southampton & acting Head of Centre for Biological Sciences there as well as Associate Director of the Faraday Institute for Science and Religion, Cambridge
      • Seymour Garte, director of the Division of Physiological and Pathological Sciences at the National Institutes of Health's Center for Scientific Review and formerly a professor of Environmental and Occupational Health Sciences at the University of Pittsburgh Graduate School of Public Health and a member of the University of Pittsburgh Cancer Institute
      • Karl W. Giberson, physicist who teaches courses on physics, astronomy, and science and religion at Eastern Nazarene College
      • Owen J. Gingerich, the Professor of Astronomy and of the History of Science at Harvard University, and a senior astronomer emeritus at the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory
      • Lisa Goddard, PhD in biochemistry from Cambridge and Phd in theology from Liverpool University
      • Stephen J. Godfrey, Curator of Paleontology at the Calvert Marine Museum in Solomons, Maryland and former YEC who wrote Paradigms on Pilgrimage: Creationism, Paleontology and Biblical Interpretation about his becoming a TE
      • Jeff Hardin, developmental biologist and chairman of the University of Wisconsin’s Zoology department
      • Deborah Haarsma, former Chair in the Department of Physics and Astronomy at Calvin College and current president of BioLogos Foundation
      • Martinez Hewlett, the professor Emeritus of Molecular and Cellular Biology at the University of Arizona
      • Nicholas Higgs, Research Fellow in the Marine Institute at Plymouth University UK
      • Ruth Hogg, lecturer at Queen's University Belfast's School of Medicine, Dentistry and Biomedical Sciences
      • Norman Hughes, the biologist and Professor Emeritus of Biology at Pepperdine University
      • Colin J. Humphreys a Director of Research at Cambridge University, Professor of Experimental Physics at the Royal Institution in London, a Fellow of Selwyn College, Cambridge, and a Fellow of the Royal Society
      • James P. Hurd, Chair of the Department of Anthropology and Sociology at Bethel University
      • Ian Hutchinson, the nuclear physicist and professor of nuclear science and engineering at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT)
      • D. Gareth Jones, Deputy Vice-Chancellor (Academic and International) and Professor of Anatomy and Structural Biology at the University of Otago, New Zealand
      • Michael N. Keas, a Fulbright Scholar and the professor of the history and philosophy of science at the College at Southwestern in Fort Worth and an adjunct professor in Biola University’s M.A. program in Science and Religion
      • Denis Lamoureux the biologist who holds a professorial chair of science and religion at St. Joseph's College at the University of Alberta
      • Ard Louis, the Professor of Theoretical Physics at the University of Oxford who also taught Theoretical Chemistry at Cambridge University
      • Joel W. Martin, the marine biologist and invertebrate zoologist at the Natural History Museum of Los Angeles County and ordained elder in the Presbyterian Church
      • Alister McGrath, PhD in Molecular Biophysics, DD in Theology, who holds the Andreas Idreos Professorship in Science and Religion in the Faculty of Theology and Religion at the University of Oxford and former Professor of Theology, Ministry, and Education at King's College London. A former atheist and now an Anglican priest who wrote The Dawkins Delusion?
      • John McKeown, former research associate at Leicester University then worked for Christian environmental charity JRI (The John Ray Initiative and module leader for the University of Gloucestershire's Open Theological College, and former YEC
      • Harvey McMahon, neurobiologist from Cambridge at the Medical Research Council Programme Leader at the Laboratory of Molecular Biology
      • Keith B. Miller, the geologist at Kansas State University
      • Kenneth Miller, the cell biologist and molecular biologist and professor at Brown University
      • Simon Conway Morris, Chair of Evolutionary Palaeobiology in the Earth Sciences Department at Cambridge University for over 20 years, Fellow of the Royal Society of London and the palaeontologist widely known for his work at the Cambrian aged Burgess Shale in British Columbia
      • William Newsome, Neurobiologist at Stanford University School of Medicine, member of the National Academy of Sciences and is the faculty sponsor of the Intervarsity Christian Fellowship graduate student group at Stanford
      • Martin A. Nowak, the Professor of Biology and Mathematics at Harvard
      • Philip Pattemore, Associate Professor of Paediatrics at the University of Otago based at the central hospital in Christchurch New Zealand and the Christian Medical Fellowship of New Zealand board chairman
      • William D. Phillips, the physicist who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1997
      • John Polkinghorne the theoretical physicist, theologian and Anglican priest
      • Wilson Poon, Senior Research Fellow at the Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council (EPSRC - UK's main agency for funding research in engineering and the physical sciences), and Professor of Condensed Matter Physics and Director of Research in School of Physics at the University of Edinburgh and former "entrenched" creationist
      • Michael J. Reiss, Professor of Science Education at the Institute of Education, University of London, where he is Assistant Director, Research and Development, President of the International Society for Science and Religion and the International Association for Science and Religion in Schools, Visiting Professor at the Universities of Leeds and York, and an Anglican priest
      • Joan Roughgarden evolutionary biologist at Stanford and Fellow at the American Academy of Arts and Sciences
      • Mary Schweitzer, the paleontologist from North Carolina State University famous for her discovery of "soft tissue" inside fossilized dinosaur bones
      • Roseanne Sension, Professor of Chemistry at the University of Michigan and Fellow of the American Physical Society (APS -- world's second largest organization of physicists)
      • Thomas P. Sheahen, professor of theology and science at Holy Apostles College and Seminary, Director of the Institute for Theological Encounter with Science and Technology (ITEST), PhD in Physics from MIT
      • Richard Swinburne, Emeritus Professor of Philosophy at the University of Oxford and one of the most influential English philosophers of religion of the 20th century
      • Howard J. Van Till, the physicist and emeritus professor of physics at Calvin College
      • Charles Hard Townes, the physicist who was awarded the Nobel Prize in Physics in 1964 for his work research in quantum electronics leading to the development of the maser and laser
      • Dennis Venema, professor of biology at Trinity Western University in Langley, British Columbia and winner of the 2008 College Biology Teaching Award from the National Association of Biology Teachers
      • David Vosburg, Associate Professor of Chemistry at Harvey Mudd College in Claremont, California (small but prestigious)
      • David C Watts, Professor of Biomaterials Science at the School of Dentistry and the Photon Science Institute of the University of Manchester, a Fellow of the Institute of Physics, the Royal Society of Chemistry, and the Society of Biology, and visiting professor at the universities of Jena and Munich (Germany), Padova(Italy), and Oregon Health and Science University
      • David L. Wilcox, expert in population genetics and Professor of Biology at a Eastern University in Philadelphia (Christian university)
      • Jennifer J. Wiseman, Senior Astrophysicist at the NASA Goddard Space Flight Center and senior project scientist for the Hubble Space Telescope
      • Davis A. Young, Emeritus Professor of Geology Calvin College, long time OEC opposed to evolution but recently wrote "How an Igneous Geologist Came to Terms With Evolution"
      • Michael Zimmerman, the biologist and a fellow of the American Association for the Advancement of Science
      Your last three very-lengthy posts are all answered with my previous short post. Enjoy!

      Jorge

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Jorge View Post
        Of course not. You've just provided an excellent example of the logical fallacy non sequitur.

        Leave it to you people to take whatever I say in the worst possible way. You must be taking lessons from O-Mudd.

        Jorge
        Really? Non sequitur. Considering your entire post other than your quoted letter consists of you telling TE's how badly they are thought of and mocked by hardcore evolutionists, how is that non sequitur?


        Originally posted by Jorge
        Give in to the Evolutionary myth as a "Christian" and you earn contempt, not admiration, from Evolutionists. TEs are tolerated (barely!) by hardcore Evolutionists in the sense of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Except that Evolutionists don't consider TEs as "friends", only as useful idiots. That is the status that TEs have earned for themselves - it is the shoe that fits.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Jorge View Post
          Go ahead, pull out any name you want. Do you really think that just because an individual is a "world-class theologian" that makes him (or her) infallible in all matters? If you do then you must retake Basic Logic.

          Warfield, Craig, Graham, Lewis, Augustine -- any name you want -- they all have/had many things right, perhaps even most things, but they did not have everything right. In particular, once they capitulate on Evolution they have introduced a very potent 'Malware' into their theology - they simply don't see it nor understand why.

          Jorge
          Can you not comprehend the hypocrisy of giving them a pass so to speak but then condemning everyone you talk to online that is not YEC?

          Jim
          My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1

          If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not  bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26

          This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19

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          • #20
            Originally posted by oxmixmudd View Post
            Can you not comprehend the hypocrisy of giving them a pass so to speak but then condemning everyone you talk to online that is not YEC?
            Ah, but Warfield, Craig, et al have not had the benefit of being instructed by regarding where they went wrong, and so don't deserve the scorn meted out here to those individuals who have heard the word of Jorge but rejected it.
            Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

            MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
            MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

            seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Roy View Post
              Ah, but Warfield, Craig, et al have not had the benefit of being instructed by regarding where they went wrong, and so don't deserve the scorn meted out here to those individuals who have heard the word of Jorge but rejected it.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Jorge View Post
                Except for the fact that we hear the same rhetoric coming from countless hardcore Evolutionists.
                Kind'a destroys your post in one fell swoop, DE.

                Jorge
                How does that destroy my post? That's pretty much the definition of cliche.
                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                  How does that destroy my post? That's pretty much the definition of cliche.
                  It doesn't.
                  Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                  MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                  MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                  seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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