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Even Atheists Think That Atheists Are More Immoral.
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Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostOnly in countries where the rates of atheism are high does the obvious falsity of that narrative become apparent to everyone.
My theory is that you atheists know how dark your inclinations are so you don't trust other atheists since they have similar tendencies.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostMy theory is that you atheists know how dark your inclinations are so you don't trust other atheists since they have similar tendencies.
"...and you will be tried by a jury of your peers."
"My peers? No way! I don't want those crooks judging me!"Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo, Even in places that are currently quite overtly secular, people still seem to intuitively hold on to the believe that religion is a moral safeguard.
You quoted the key observation by the study's author but didn't underline it:
"I suspect that this stems from the prevalence of deeply entrenched pro-religious norms."
Historically religion has had good PR in the Western world and has equated itself with morality in the minds of the public. Various recent scandals have undermined that in the minds of the younger generations - Catholic priest pedophilia, opposition to human rights for LGBT people etc.
My theory is that you atheists know how dark your inclinations are so you don't trust other atheists since they have similar tendencies."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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I wonder what would happen if they did the same scenario with men vs. women or black people vs. white people. Would people be more inclined to believe men and blacks are the ones who commit crimes? What about Christians vs. Muslims vs. Jews vs. Hindus vs. Buddhists?
Here's a link to the study: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-017-0151Find my speling strange? I'm trying this out: Simplified Speling. Feel free to join me.
"Nature has placed mankind under the governance of two sovereign masters, pain and pleasure. It is for them alone to point out what we ought to do, as well as to determine what we shall do."-Jeremy Bentham
"We question all our beliefs, except for the ones that we really believe in, and those we never think to question."-Orson Scott Card
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Originally posted by stfoskey15 View PostI wonder what would happen if they did the same scenario with men vs. women or black people vs. white people. Would people be more inclined to believe men and blacks are the ones who commit crimes? What about Christians vs. Muslims vs. Jews vs. Hindus vs. Buddhists?
Bars that point left on that graph mean the group is underrepresented in the prison population (e.g. there aren't as many atheists in prisons as one might expect given how many atheists there are in the US), while bars that point right mean the group is overrepresented in the prison population (e.g. Native Americans are disproportionately filling the prisons)
That can somewhat answer your question about "Christians vs. Muslims vs. Jews vs. Hindus vs. Buddhists?" in terms of who is actually in federal prisons, but it obviously can't answer questions about popular beliefs on the subject. e.g. the OP in this thread revealed that Americans have a widespread belief that atheists are less moral, but such a belief does not appear to be fact-based given the actual federal prison data. (Or whatever 'immoralities' atheists tend to favor, such as my chocolate gluttony, it's not landing them in federal prisons)Last edited by Starlight; 08-07-2017, 10:00 PM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe data on the religions of current prisoners isn't that great, but there is some federal data on the subject and FiveThirtyEight discusses it. Their most useful graph is this one:
Bars that point left on that graph mean the group is underrepresented in the prison population (e.g. there aren't as many atheists in prisons as one might expect given how many atheists there are in the US), while bars that point right mean the group is overrepresented in the prison population (e.g. Native Americans are disproportionately filling the prisons)
That can somewhat answer your question about "Christians vs. Muslims vs. Jews vs. Hindus vs. Buddhists?" in terms of who is actually in federal prisons, but it obviously can't answer questions about popular beliefs on the subject. e.g. the OP in this thread revealed that Americans have a widespread belief that atheists are less moral, but such a belief does not appear to be fact-based given the actual federal prison data. (Or whatever 'immoralities' atheists tend to favor, such as my chocolate gluttony, it's not landing them in federal prisons)"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View Postthe data is worthless because you get perks for belonging to a religion, so only fundy atheists would actually claim to be atheist. one agnostic guy I know who went to prison "changed his religion" several times because he wanted to taste all the different holiday meals."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by seer View PostThe upshot is that we generally see religious people as more moral.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat are you talking about:
You've assumed that if a perpetrator is more likely to be an atheist, then that means an atheist is more likely to be a perpetrator. This is not necessarily true.
Given a population of 100 people, of which 62 are atheists (including 3 perpetrators) and 38 are theists (including 2 perpetrators), the probability that a random perpetrator is an atheist is 66%, but the probability that a random atheist is a perpetrator (4.8%) is less that the probability that a random theist is a perpetrator (5.2%).
Atheists can be more moral than theists even if immoral people are more likely to be atheists.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostSays the doctor to the man with the flu, "You're perfectly healthy. It's everyone else who is sick!"
Unlike the Christian, the atheist functions in society regardless of the watchful eye of a celestial policeman. He is self-reliant and self-motivating. The Christian and others seem to require a degree of supervision that the atheist does not. Most of the time they are motivated by the desire to supervise others – they admire conformity to authoritarian rule.
Atheism is the superior state to which nature is driving us all. It is a fact becoming ever more apparent that our fate as a species depends ultimately on our ability to simulate the natural ongoing calculation of our future and in this endeavor, wishful, spooky and authoritarian thinking has no place. Atheists are helping to re-engineer your mind.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostUnlike the Christian, the atheist functions in society regardless of the watchful eye of a celestial policeman. He is self-reliant and self-motivating.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou mean like the Maoist? The Stalinist? The followers of Pol Pot, Castro?
https://michaelsherlockauthor.wordpr...pher-hitchens/
“[The atheist atrocities fallacy is a multifaceted and multidimensional monster, comprised of a cocktail of illogically contrived arguments. It is, at its core, a tu quoque fallacy, employed to deflect justified charges of religious violence, by erroneously charging atheism with similar, if not worse, conduct. But it is much more than this, for within its tangled and mangled edifice can be found the false analogy fallacy, the poisoning of the well fallacy, the false cause fallacy, and even an implied slippery slope fallacy.]”“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by firstfloor View Post“Nature cannot be fooled.” This means that nature, which includes you and your thoughts, is calculating your fate moment by moment. It generally rewards clever ideas and punishes bad ones. Consequently, societies tend to move towards sound ideas while the unsound ideas generate resentment at their exclusion. Intolerance and anger like this or simply lack of generosity towards your fellow man is a sign that your ideas are unsound.
Unlike the Christian, the atheist functions in society regardless of the watchful eye of a celestial policeman.
He is self-reliant and self-motivating.
The Christian and others seem to require a degree of supervision that the atheist does not.
Most of the time they are motivated by the desire to supervise others – they admire conformity to authoritarian rule.
Atheism is the superior state to which nature is driving us all.
It is a fact becoming ever more apparent that our fate as a species depends ultimately on our ability to simulate the natural ongoing calculation of our future and in this endeavor, wishful, spooky and authoritarian thinking has no place. Atheists are helping to re-engineer your mind.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by brain does go past the firstfloor View PostUnlike the Christian, the atheist functions in society regardless of the watchful eye of a celestial policeman. He is self-reliant and self-motivating. The Christian and others seem to require a degree of supervision that the atheist does not.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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