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  • Originally posted by seer View Post
    Nonsense, what the Roosevelt administration did was in direct response to what Japan was doing at the time.
    http://www.salon.com/2013/12/05/oil_..._pearl_harbor/
    Roosevelt had a noose around Japan’s neck, but he chose not to tighten it. He was not ready to cut off its oil lifeline for fear that such a move would be regarded as tantamount to an act of war.

    That summer, while Roosevelt, his trusted adviser Harry Hopkins and U.S. Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles were attending the shipboard conference off Newfoundland and Secretary of State Cordell Hull was on vacation at the Greenbrier in West Virginia, the authority to grant licenses to export and pay for oil and other goods was in the hands of a three-person interagency committee.
    It was dominated by Assistant Secretary of State Dean Acheson, whom one historian described as the “quintessential opportunist of U.S. foreign policy in 1941.”

    Acheson favored a “bullet-proof freeze” on oil shipments to Japan, claiming it would not provoke war because “no rational Japanese could believe that an attack on us could result in anything but disaster for his country.”

    With breathtaking confidence in his own judgment, and ignoring the objections of others in the State Department, Acheson refused to grant licenses to Japan to pay for goods in dollars. That effectively ended Japan’s ability to ship oil and all other goods from the United States.

    Acheson’s actions cut off all American trade with Japan. When Roosevelt returned, he decided not to overturn the “state of affairs” initiated by Acheson, apparently because he feared he would otherwise be regarded as an appeaser.
    Once Roosevelt perpetuated Acheson’s trade embargo, the planners in Japan’s imperial military headquarters knew that oil to fuel their fleet, as well as rubber, rice and other vital reserves, would soon run out.
    By the end of the year at the latest, Japan would need to capture new supply sources in the oil-rich Dutch East Indies, which the United States would surely oppose. And to protect its long exposed flank as it moved south, the Japanese Navy would have to deliver a knockout blow to U.S. naval and air power in the Pacific.



    In short, Japan was forced to learn the art of expansionism whether she would or no. And even that site gives a slightly sanitised story about America's role in the conflict.
    Last edited by tabibito; 08-16-2017, 11:35 AM.
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    but that won't prevent others from
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    • Pastor Wants Presidents’ Names Removed From Washington, Jackson Parks Over Ties To Slavery

      http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/...-slave-owners/
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by tabibito View Post

        Roosevelt had a noose around Japan’s neck, but he chose not to tighten it. He was not ready to cut off its oil lifeline for fear that such a move would be regarded as tantamount to an act of war.

        That summer, while Roosevelt, his trusted adviser Harry Hopkins and U.S. Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles were attending the shipboard conference off Newfoundland and Secretary of State Cordell Hull was on vacation at the Greenbrier in West Virginia, the authority to grant licenses to export and pay for oil and other goods was in the hands of a three-person interagency committee.
        It was dominated by Assistant Secretary of State Dean Acheson, whom one historian described as the “quintessential opportunist of U.S. foreign policy in 1941.”

        Acheson favored a “bullet-proof freeze” on oil shipments to Japan, claiming it would not provoke war because “no rational Japanese could believe that an attack on us could result in anything but disaster for his country.”

        With breathtaking confidence in his own judgment, and ignoring the objections of others in the State Department, Acheson refused to grant licenses to Japan to pay for goods in dollars. That effectively ended Japan’s ability to ship oil and all other goods from the United States.

        Acheson’s actions cut off all American trade with Japan. When Roosevelt returned, he decided not to overturn the “state of affairs” initiated by Acheson, apparently because he feared he would otherwise be regarded as an appeaser.
        Once Roosevelt perpetuated Acheson’s trade embargo, the planners in Japan’s imperial military headquarters knew that oil to fuel their fleet, as well as rubber, rice and other vital reserves, would soon run out.
        By the end of the year at the latest, Japan would need to capture new supply sources in the oil-rich Dutch East Indies, which the United States would surely oppose. And to protect its long exposed flank as it moved south, the Japanese Navy would have to deliver a knockout blow to U.S. naval and air power in the Pacific.
        This does not change the fact that what Roosevelt did was in RESPONSE to what Japan was doing in Asia since 1931.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • Originally posted by seer View Post
          Pastor Wants Presidents’ Names Removed From Washington, Jackson Parks Over Ties To Slavery

          http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/...-slave-owners/
          I wonder if he refuses to use $1 and $20 bills?

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          • Originally posted by seer View Post
            This does not change the fact that what Roosevelt did was in RESPONSE to what Japan was doing in Asia since 1931.
            Believe what you will, Seer. Or investigate the full story if you will.
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
            .
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            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.

            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              I wonder if he refuses to use $1 and $20 bills?
              The problem is, if any one refuses these kind of requests they will be labeled racist.
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                Believe what you will Seer.
                Yes, and you believe what you will too...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Pastor Wants Presidents’ Names Removed From Washington, Jackson Parks Over Ties To Slavery

                  http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2017/08/...-slave-owners/
                  The left has been chipping away at American history and culture for decades, so this is just a natural progression of their agenda. I suspect their ultimate goal is the destruction of the Constitution -- figuratively and literally -- because it was written by white slave owners. The saddest part is, most of our elected officials won't lift a finger to stop it.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                    http://www.salon.com/2013/12/05/oil_..._pearl_harbor/
                    Roosevelt had a noose around Japan’s neck, but he chose not to tighten it. He was not ready to cut off its oil lifeline for fear that such a move would be regarded as tantamount to an act of war.

                    That summer, while Roosevelt, his trusted adviser Harry Hopkins and U.S. Undersecretary of State Sumner Welles were attending the shipboard conference off Newfoundland and Secretary of State Cordell Hull was on vacation at the Greenbrier in West Virginia, the authority to grant licenses to export and pay for oil and other goods was in the hands of a three-person interagency committee.
                    It was dominated by Assistant Secretary of State Dean Acheson, whom one historian described as the “quintessential opportunist of U.S. foreign policy in 1941.”

                    Acheson favored a “bullet-proof freeze” on oil shipments to Japan, claiming it would not provoke war because “no rational Japanese could believe that an attack on us could result in anything but disaster for his country.”

                    With breathtaking confidence in his own judgment, and ignoring the objections of others in the State Department, Acheson refused to grant licenses to Japan to pay for goods in dollars. That effectively ended Japan’s ability to ship oil and all other goods from the United States.

                    Acheson’s actions cut off all American trade with Japan. When Roosevelt returned, he decided not to overturn the “state of affairs” initiated by Acheson, apparently because he feared he would otherwise be regarded as an appeaser.
                    Once Roosevelt perpetuated Acheson’s trade embargo, the planners in Japan’s imperial military headquarters knew that oil to fuel their fleet, as well as rubber, rice and other vital reserves, would soon run out.
                    By the end of the year at the latest, Japan would need to capture new supply sources in the oil-rich Dutch East Indies, which the United States would surely oppose. And to protect its long exposed flank as it moved south, the Japanese Navy would have to deliver a knockout blow to U.S. naval and air power in the Pacific.



                    In short, Japan was forced to learn the art of expansionism whether she would or no. And even that site gives a slightly sanitised story about America's role in the conflict.
                    No, they were expanding long before our actual boycotts, if you read the Wiki link it was their Divine right.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      If there are no races then you can't have racists. You have to choose one or the other. If you want racism, you have to admit there are races for people to discriminate against. If you don't have races then you can't have racism.
                      Why not? There are people who discriminate based on intangible, invented and imaginary characteristics.
                      Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                      MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                      MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                      seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                      • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        The left has been chipping away at American history and culture for decades, so this is just a natural progression of their agenda. I suspect their ultimate goal is the destruction of the Constitution -- figuratively and literally -- because it was written by white slave owners. The saddest part is, most of our elected officials won't lift a finger to stop it.
                        Maybe ... I'm betting that it will follow historical patterns. McCarthy, for example, managed to preside over the destruction of many innocent people's lives with the "Commies under every bed" story - until he went beyond the limits of public tolerance and tried to take on the churches. This time, taking on the churches wouldn't have the same result, but there are other institutions that are considered important enough to counter all the propaganda.
                        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                        .
                        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                        Scripture before Tradition:
                        but that won't prevent others from
                        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                        of the right to call yourself Christian.

                        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                        • Originally posted by Roy View Post
                          Why not? There are people who discriminate based on intangible, invented and imaginary characteristics.
                          so? If I want to discriminate against leprechauns who am I hurting? If there are no leprechauns then my imaginary bigotry is just delusion. If there are no races then there are no white supremacists and no black race for them to discriminate against.

                          But we all know that isn't true. There is a black race and a white race (and other races) and there are bigots and racists in the world. Liberals want to both claim there is no such thing as race and also blame people for being racist or claim to be victims of racism. Typical liberal hypocrisy.

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                          • Originally posted by Psychic Missile View Post
                            Race is a social construct.
                            I think you're a bit confused, son. Race is a biological fact. Racism, which is the belief that one set of genetic differences is inherently superior to another set, is a social construct.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                              Oh - Japan attacked America true enough
                              Oh ok, then it's not an example of the victors rewriting history, you just made that up so you can launch into a completely different topic (also, your analogy is pretty bad, trade embargos are not in the same category as military action whereas a kick in the shin is in the same category as a physical attack)
                              "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                              There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                              • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                                I think you're a bit confused, son. Race is a biological fact. Racism, which is the belief that one set of genetic differences is inherently superior to another set, is a social construct.
                                The current scientific consensus is that race is a social construct because 1. racial categories change based on geographical location and time period and 2. racial categories are incongruous with genetic groups which have little to do with skin color. Yet another way conservatives are anti-science.

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