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Liberals need to stop messing with the First Amendment
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYep, which was my point. SoR was assuming a basic level of knowledge on your part, which is always a mistake when dealing with you.
I saw an article on free speech that interested me - had NOTHING to do with "MAGA".
You guys jumped headlong to a false conclusion, and I bet NEITHER of you has the common decency to admit you made a mistake.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI come to the defense of anybody holding peaceful demonstrations while being violently assaulted by leftists like you. You're a scumbag of the highest order.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostUm, hate to break it to you, but that example was given by a judge in a case that was subsequently overturned. Chances are pretty good today's supreme court would unanimously rule that the expansive interpretation of the first amendment currently in fashion means shouting "fire" in a crowded theater is constitutionally protected free speech.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post2. The next day CP posts a thread saying liberals are the real problem not Nazis.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI'm going to demand that you defend this stinking piece of garbage, or leave the thread. I just re-read the article -- where does it indicate that "liberals are the real problem not Nazis"?
Nobody said the article stated "liberals are the problem", or anything like that. I made the observation that your priorities are screwed-up if after violent protest by Nazi's, you are going to beat the same old dead horse that liberals are silencing free speech.
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You are aware that the 1st amendment doesn't apply in Germany, right?
Many European countries outlaw hate speech. I disagree, and so do the US liberals that I know of. I can understand why the Germans might have a problem with Naziism.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostNow you're just creating a straw man.
Nobody said the article stated "liberals are the problem", or anything like that. I made the observation that your priorities are screwed-up if after violent protest by Nazi's, you are going to beat the same old dead horse that liberals are silencing free speech."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostNow you're just creating a straw man.
Nobody said the article stated "liberals are the problem", or anything like that. I made the observation that your priorities are screwed-up if after violent protest by Nazi's, you are going to beat the same old dead horse that liberals are silencing free speech.
I actually QUOTED him -- perhaps you missed that....
Originally posted by Starlight View Post1. Nazis hold violent rally that leads to a death
2. The next day CP posts a thread saying liberals are the real problem not Nazis..The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sea of red View PostI like how after a group of radical MAGA's hold a violent demonstration, the liberals are still the problem right now in your head.
When do you ever call out on your own side?Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThe protest was only violent because leftists showed up to attack them. It's perfectly fair and appropriate to blame liberals for silencing free speech because that's exactly what they were doing. To make matters worse it wasn't just leftist rioters either, the governor ordered the cops to make the situation worse by refusing to split the two sides apart and forcing the right wingers to disperse so they can be assaulted more easily by antifas. No amount of denial is gonna change the facts, which are well known to anybody who's been following the story on social media.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post1. Nazis hold violent rally that leads to a death
2. The next day CP posts a thread saying liberals are the real problem not Nazis.Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostUnpopular opinion but I don't think many people actually truly support the First Amendment as written. By allowing exceptions like fire in a crowded theater, slander, threats, etc., that's already admitting that freedom of speech is not absolute, but the way the First Amendment is written doesn't leave room for any exceptions at all.
For practical reasons, though, I'm fine with the way it's generally interpreted.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostI do not agree. I want freedom of speech to be absolute. Yes, I realize this is highly impractical, only because about 65% of the populace is too emotionally immature and fragile to handle it. But it should still be the goal.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNo exceptions? Inciting to riot would be a "right"?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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