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    And u have grossly misunderstood the real meaning of "unconditional" in the Gospel.

    God already showed human beings His unconditional love by accepting sinful humans through the gift of redemption and atonement, which was the mission of Christ Jesus on earth expressed by Christ himself (Matthew 20:28).

    Hell is reserved for those who reject the expression of God's unconditional love for their salvation through the atoning sacrifice of His chosen one, Jesus Christ.

    John 3:16-18 (ESV): For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

    Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.

    Unlike in surah 4/88-90 - "Do you desire to guide him whom ALLAH HAS FORSAKEN? And he whom Allah forsakes, you will not find for him a way of deliverance."

    So Allah/God forsakes and misleads people away from salvation. And for them there is no hope at all. This is in line with the Hadith al Bukhari and in the Mishkat hadith too.






    Quote Originally Posted by siam View Post
    U said God loves UNCONDITIONALLY in Christianity---
    but
    Christians believe there is hell right? there would not be hell if this love was unconditional....?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chrawnus View Post
    The offer of salvation is given to all mankind freely and unconditionally. People who go to hell do so because they reject God's freely offered gift of salvation. God's love being unconditional is not inconsistent with a world where some people go to hell, given that unconditional love does not trump man's God-given ability to reject it (free will). If it did it would not be love any more.
    Then our definition of "unconditional" is different---if God punishes people for not believing in a set of presumptions then that IS a conditional love. The condition of rejection is attached to it...."unconditional" would be--- regardless of acceptance or rejection, a person would go to heaven.
    likewise---if your faith in One God depends on what type of presumptions are acceptable for you---that too is conditional faith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Zebiri View Post
    And u have grossly misunderstood the real meaning of "unconditional" in the Gospel.

    God already showed human beings His unconditional love by accepting sinful humans through the gift of redemption and atonement, which was the mission of Christ Jesus on earth expressed by Christ himself (Matthew 20:28).

    Hell is reserved for those who reject the expression of God's unconditional love for their salvation through the atoning sacrifice of His chosen one, Jesus Christ.

    John 3:16-18 (ESV): For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

    For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.

    Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.
    If God accepted "sinful" humans unconditionally---there would be no hell.

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